What can "Da U" do for you?

[Bucklion]

The point was that when everyone wanted to follow notre dame and get the great white athletes and have a good image, miami was the one that said "hey these kids can play. Why not give them a chance to break the mold of an average kid in their situation." Miami recognized the greatness within these players and instilled a confidence in them that otherwise would not have been there. Miami created a sense of pride. Miami changed college football and let kids know that they don't have to be a rich christian athlete to play at a respectable program. No body cares to look at some of the situations the kids come out of and they just go about hating on them. Most of these kids had nothing to celebrate about but the U gave them a chance.

Wow...I just realized my post apparently started all this. Sorry about that everyone

I never even saw this post, but I guess my response would be simple...calling Miami of the 80's a "respectable program" and talking about education given the Pell grant scandal pretty much destroys any credibility you would have on this issue...but then again, you already did that with your subsequent posts anyway.

 

[sandgk]

Wow...I just realized my post apparently started all this. Sorry about that everyone

 

[Bleed S & G]

Here is a hint...you are talking game that you really cannot comprehend. Your little fantasy world and data charts are not reality, champ.

I've seen you call this tool "Champ" several times - did you dig something up on the internet? See below

If you had to dress up as a superhero for Halloween, who would you choose?

Let's finish this asshole.

McNeil Him!

 

[osugrad21]

I've seen you call this tool "Champ" several times - did you dig something up on the internet?

Nope. Really I didn't. We've retired 'McNeiling' except for extreme cases.

 

[Bleed S & G]

Nope. Really I didn't. We've retired 'McNeiling' except for extreme cases.

Understood. It should be reserved for those who deserve it more so, this guy is more dumb than he is a problem.

 

[AKAK]

That public school system does a great job of that. I've worked with inner city kids at one of our downtown preschools, and the teachers are awful. They don't teach any discipline. They let the kids screw off. And then these kids are turned down for highschool. Then they go about not caring about a thing. Many people seem content with just observing the situation and talking of how bad they are

[quote='BusNative;162050;8]Can we stop this yet?[/quote]

No, he hasn't sold us a magazine subscription yet.

Though, he's right... the U has helped a lot of guys that otherwise wouldn't have had a chance.

Gino Torretta
Craig Erickson
Steve Walsh
Ken Dorsey

If these guys had gone to school anywhere else, they never would have been hyped enough to become such spectacular busts.

 

[kevnow123]

The respectable programs and respectable coaches:

- Ohio State has had 26 players arrested under Tressell
- Michigan has 29 arrests in the Lloyd Carr era. Michigan Wow
- UF has has 25 Arrests in the last 4 years.

Here's our other respectable program Penn State with the great Joe Pa
Since 2004, Penn State Player Arrest Records:
1. Maurice Humphrey, Arrest, Assault & Prison Guilty
2. Maurice Humphrey - Guilty Probation Violation
3. Maurice Humphrey - Fake ID Probation Violation Guilty
4. Tyler Reed, Drunk In Public Summary Charge Guilty
5. Andrew Richardson, Drunk In Public Summary Charge Guilty
6. Rashard Casey, Arrest, Assault, Dismissed
7. Anwar Phillips, Arrest, Assault, Dismissed
8. T.C. Cosby, Arrest, Assault, Acquitted
9. Michael Robinson, Ice-Rink Fight Summary Charge
10. Lavon Chisley, Arrest, Sexual Assault, Dismissed; convicted of 1st and 3rd degree murder
11. Paul Jefferson, Drunk In Public Summary Charge Guilty
12. Ed Johnson, Ice-rink fight Summary Charge Guilty
13. Matthew Rice, Ice-rink fight Summary Charge Guilty
14. John Bronson, Arrest, Assault, Dismissed
15. Jeremy Kapinos, Drunk In Public Summary Charge
16. Tom McHugh, Hitting A Woman Summary Charge
17. Tony Johnson, Arrest, DUI Guilty
18. Richard Cheek, Arrest, Stolen Credit Card Guilty
19. Yaacov Yisreal, DUI, Guilty
20. Dan Drogan, DUI Leaving Accident, Guilty
21. Dethrell Garcia, DUI, Guilty
22. Scott Paxson, Criminal Mischief, Summary Charge Guilty
23. E.Z. Smith, Drunk In Public Summary Charge Guilty
24. R.J. Luke, Arrest Assault, Acquitted
25. Damone Jones, Unknown Charges Dismissed From School
26. Mike Sothern, Terroristic Disorderly Criminal Mischief Guilty
27. Mike Sothern Criminal Mischief Expelled Guilty
28. EZ Smith Criminal Mischief Summary Charge Guilty
29. Scott Paxson Criminal Mischief Summary Charge Guilty
30. Tyler Reed Criminal Mischief Summary Charge Guilty
31. Andrew Richardson Criminal Mischief Summary Charge Guilty
32. Ed Johnson Sexual Misconduct Arrest Guilty
34. Dan Connor Criminal Mischief Phone Summary Charge Guilty
35. Nolan MCready Criminal Mischief Phone Summary Charge Guilty
36. Jim Kanuch Criminal Mischief Summary Phone Charge Guilty
37. Paul Cronin Drunk In Public Summary Charge Guilty
38. Scott Paxson Sexual Assault & Aggravated Indecent Charge Guilty
39. Francis Claude Arrest At Bar Disorderly Conduct Guilty
40. Ed Johnson Failed Drug Test Condition Of Parole Guilty
41. Lavon Chisley Murder Charge Guilty Life Sentence
42. Anthony P. Scirrotto burglary, criminal trespass, criminal solicitation, simple assault, harassment. Trial Pending
43. Chris I. Baker burglary, criminal trespass criminal trespass, disorderly conduct, harassment. Trial Pending
44. Jerome A. Hayes criminal trespass, disorderly conduct, harassment. Dismissed
45. Justin King criminal trespass, disorderly conduct, harassment. Dismissed
46. Tyrell A. Sales criminal trespass, disorderly conduct, harassment Dismissed
47. Lydell R. Sargeant criminal trespass, disorderly conduct, harassment Dismissed
48. Andrew Quarless-Underage Drinking Guilty
49. Willie Harriot-Underage Drinking Guilty
50. Austin Scott Rape, Drugs Trial
51. Joe Suhey Underage Drinking Guilty
52. Ryan Breen Underage Drinking Guilty,
53. Joe Paterno Road Rage No Charges
54. Chris Baker felony aggravated assault, simple assault, disorderly conduct, summary harassment and stalking, Pending.
55. Navarro Bowman felony aggravated assault, simple assault, disorderly conduct, summary harassment and stalking, Pending.
56. Knowledge Timmons, disorderly conduct and defiant trespass, Pending

I will admit, I did take it overboard, but dubbing miami university "thug U" and failing to recognize any positives is a little overboard, in fact it's pretty hypocritical. They were not greatly disciplined players, but plenty of other respectable programs aren't innocent.
Why not compare say PSU UTenn FSU UF OSU, … etc. and their sheer lack of control over their players behavior, academic scandals, car stereo and weapons, B&E, drugs, rape, etc since 2002 to the Huricanes of the 80s?...Are you saying rape isn't bad as long as you don't “act like a thug on the field?” How about drug charges? Wear a traditional uniform with a legend of a coach and it really isn't bad as long as you act right on the field? And if a kid can get off the streets and become a professional football player, I'm fine with that. Yeah, I’d much rather have the kid make something of his education than sports, but if it gets him out his previous situation, then that’s a positive. People love to dwell on the negative. Would you call the Alabama football program racist because it took them so long to integrate? (1970's) Didn't think so, and you shouldn't. Notre Dame never took responsibility or tried to out a stop printing of "Catholics vs Convicts" shirts. They never apologized for the behavior of their fans perpetuating stereotypes or being disrespectful. Miami is a respectable program and has won the American Football Coaches Association's 2009 Academic Achievement Award presented by the touchdown club in Memphis. The contributions of "the U" to college footbal were enormous. Have you ever read the Caine Mutiny. It does a great job of describing how a group of inner city kids, with gold teeth and do rags took on the establishment and changed the landscape forever. Miami is a small university. About 10,000 students and about 50% of its classes have 16 or fewer students. It doesn’t have the traditional massive funding sources of the traditional powerhouses, but it still manages to be great. The U is a family. Every year, new players are mentored by former players, who came back in their off-seasons and train with these players. The U’s football program may not get all the respect, but it comes to play on Saturdays and also brings it on Sundays. The U brings emotion to the game. The best part about it is that it is the program everyone loves to hate. This is why it's a Canes thing, and you wouldn’t (and clearly don’t) understand. I'm a big buckeye fan but I'm not blind to the fact that he's had 26 players arrested. Miami unjustly gets a bad rap, when it takes in kids from less than average socioeconomic situations. Their discipline could probably have been better, and now it is. In the past ten years had 4 players arrested.

 

[sandgk]

this guy is more dumb than he is a problem.

^^^

Still think that?

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I'm a big buckeye fan but I'm not blind to the fact that he's had 26 players arrested. Miami unjustly gets a bad rap, when it takes in kids from less than average socioeconomic situations. Their discipline could probably have been better, and now it is. In the past ten years had 4 players arrested.

How many OSU players have been arrested in the last four years?

 

[Mike80]

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You need to include wall of text warnings before you post this bullshit.

 

[Bucklion]

The respectable programs and respectable coaches:

- Ohio State has had 26 players arrested under Tressell
- Michigan has 29 arrests in the Lloyd Carr era. Michigan Wow
- UF has has 25 Arrests in the last 4 years.

Here's our other respectable program Penn State with the great Joe Pa
Since 2004, Penn State Player Arrest Records:
1. Maurice Humphrey, Arrest, Assault & Prison Guilty
2. Maurice Humphrey - Guilty Probation Violation
3. Maurice Humphrey - Fake ID Probation Violation Guilty
4. Tyler Reed, Drunk In Public Summary Charge Guilty
5. Andrew Richardson, Drunk In Public Summary Charge Guilty
6. Rashard Casey, Arrest, Assault, Dismissed
7. Anwar Phillips, Arrest, Assault, Dismissed
8. T.C. Cosby, Arrest, Assault, Acquitted
9. Michael Robinson, Ice-Rink Fight Summary Charge
10. Lavon Chisley, Arrest, Sexual Assault, Dismissed; convicted of 1st and 3rd degree murder
11. Paul Jefferson, Drunk In Public Summary Charge Guilty
12. Ed Johnson, Ice-rink fight Summary Charge Guilty
13. Matthew Rice, Ice-rink fight Summary Charge Guilty
14. John Bronson, Arrest, Assault, Dismissed
15. Jeremy Kapinos, Drunk In Public Summary Charge
16. Tom McHugh, Hitting A Woman Summary Charge
17. Tony Johnson, Arrest, DUI Guilty
18. Richard Cheek, Arrest, Stolen Credit Card Guilty
19. Yaacov Yisreal, DUI, Guilty
20. Dan Drogan, DUI Leaving Accident, Guilty
21. Dethrell Garcia, DUI, Guilty
22. Scott Paxson, Criminal Mischief, Summary Charge Guilty
23. E.Z. Smith, Drunk In Public Summary Charge Guilty
24. R.J. Luke, Arrest Assault, Acquitted
25. Damone Jones, Unknown Charges Dismissed From School
26. Mike Sothern, Terroristic Disorderly Criminal Mischief Guilty
27. Mike Sothern Criminal Mischief Expelled Guilty
28. EZ Smith Criminal Mischief Summary Charge Guilty
29. Scott Paxson Criminal Mischief Summary Charge Guilty
30. Tyler Reed Criminal Mischief Summary Charge Guilty
31. Andrew Richardson Criminal Mischief Summary Charge Guilty
32. Ed Johnson Sexual Misconduct Arrest Guilty
34. Dan Connor Criminal Mischief Phone Summary Charge Guilty
35. Nolan MCready Criminal Mischief Phone Summary Charge Guilty
36. Jim Kanuch Criminal Mischief Summary Phone Charge Guilty
37. Paul Cronin Drunk In Public Summary Charge Guilty
38. Scott Paxson Sexual Assault & Aggravated Indecent Charge Guilty
39. Francis Claude Arrest At Bar Disorderly Conduct Guilty
40. Ed Johnson Failed Drug Test Condition Of Parole Guilty
41. Lavon Chisley Murder Charge Guilty Life Sentence
42. Anthony P. Scirrotto burglary, criminal trespass, criminal solicitation, simple assault, harassment. Trial Pending
43. Chris I. Baker burglary, criminal trespass criminal trespass, disorderly conduct, harassment. Trial Pending
44. Jerome A. Hayes criminal trespass, disorderly conduct, harassment. Dismissed
45. Justin King criminal trespass, disorderly conduct, harassment. Dismissed
46. Tyrell A. Sales criminal trespass, disorderly conduct, harassment Dismissed
47. Lydell R. Sargeant criminal trespass, disorderly conduct, harassment Dismissed
48. Andrew Quarless-Underage Drinking Guilty
49. Willie Harriot-Underage Drinking Guilty
50. Austin Scott Rape, Drugs Trial
51. Joe Suhey Underage Drinking Guilty
52. Ryan Breen Underage Drinking Guilty,
53. Joe Paterno Road Rage No Charges
54. Chris Baker felony aggravated assault, simple assault, disorderly conduct, summary harassment and stalking, Pending.
55. Navarro Bowman felony aggravated assault, simple assault, disorderly conduct, summary harassment and stalking, Pending.
56. Knowledge Timmons, disorderly conduct and defiant trespass, Pending

I will admit, I did take it overboard, but dubbing miami university "thug U" and failing to recognize any positives is a little overboard, in fact it's pretty hypocritical. They were not greatly disciplined players, but plenty of other respectable programs aren't innocent.
Why not compare say PSU UTenn FSU UF OSU, ? etc. and their sheer lack of control over their players behavior, academic scandals, car stereo and weapons, B&E, drugs, rape, etc since 2002 to the Huricanes of the 80s?...Are you saying rape isn't bad as long as you don't ?act like a thug on the field?? How about drug charges? Wear a traditional uniform with a legend of a coach and it really isn't bad as long as you act right on the field? And if a kid can get off the streets and become a professional football player, I'm fine with that. Yeah, I?d much rather have the kid make something of his education than sports, but if it gets him out his previous situation, then that?s a positive. People love to dwell on the negative. Would you call the Alabama football program racist because it took them so long to integrate? (1970's) Didn't think so, and you shouldn't. Notre Dame never took responsibility or tried to out a stop printing of "Catholics vs Convicts" shirts. They never apologized for the behavior of their fans perpetuating stereotypes or being disrespectful. Miami is a respectable program and has won the American Football Coaches Association's 2009 Academic Achievement Award presented by the touchdown club in Memphis. The contributions of "the U" to college footbal were enormous. Have you ever read the Caine Mutiny. It does a great job of describing how a group of inner city kids, with gold teeth and do rags took on the establishment and changed the landscape forever. Miami is a small university. About 10,000 students and about 50% of its classes have 16 or fewer students. It doesn?t have the traditional massive funding sources of the traditional powerhouses, but it still manages to be great. The U is a family. Every year, new players are mentored by former players, who came back in their off-seasons and train with these players. The U?s football program may not get all the respect, but it comes to play on Saturdays and also brings it on Sundays. The U brings emotion to the game. The best part about it is that it is the program everyone loves to hate. This is why it's a Canes thing, and you wouldn?t (and clearly don?t) understand. I'm a big buckeye fan but I'm not blind to the fact that he's had 26 players arrested. Miami unjustly gets a bad rap, when it takes in kids from less than average socioeconomic situations. Their discipline could probably have been better, and now it is. In the past ten years had 4 players arrested.

Keep rambling on...all the while refusing to explain exactly how taking money that was supposed to go the the poorest kids who CAN'T throw a fucking ball to actually give them a fighting chance to make it and giving it to the kids who CAN throw a ball and are on full scholarship so they can go clubbing is somehow not an inherently evil concept.

 

[jwinslow]

They never apologized for the behavior of their fans perpetuating stereotypes or being disrespectful.

Oh so they should apologize for being arrogant and antagonistic, but when the U does it, it's lovable and us against the world. It's something small minded folks like us could never understand like you in Toledo.

Good work on copying over one of your past quests to defend Miami's honor. If you'd actually engage folks directly rather than resorting to outrageous hyperbole, you might notice that many folks have talked about how Miami was hardly unique in their off-field troubles. They just played up that angle much louder than most.

 

[kevnow123]

Oh so they should apologize for being arrogant and antagonistic, but when the U does it, it's lovable and us against the world. It's something small minded folks like us could never understand like you in Toledo.

Good work on copying over one of your past quests to defend Miami's honor. If you'd actually engage folks directly rather than resorting to outrageous hyperbole, you might notice that many folks have talked about how Miami was hardly unique in their off-field troubles. They just played up that angle much louder than most.

Calling miami thug u is hyperbole. I'm not saying Notre Dame should apologize. I'm just pointing out that they havn't, and that, even though they are looked at by many (don't know if you do) as the most respectable program out there, they aren't much better. I thought they were supposed to be the bigger man. The oonly one that was the bigger man was Lou Holtz for discontinuing the rivalry.

 

[Buckeneye]

The game thread for the Miami - Ohio State game next year should be VERY INTERESTING. I'm pretty they've all gotten over the 2002 National Championship. So that's good...

I"m willing to bet good money the intro video the broadcastor shows before our game starts off with footage from the championship. Toss in "revenge"
"bitter" etc etc and you have quite an intriguing story line.

I've waited long to play those fuckers again, and 2010 is right around the corner.

 

[kevnow123]

I"m willing to bet good money the intro video the broadcastor shows before our game starts off with footage from the championship. Toss in "revenge"
"bitter" etc etc and you have quite an intriguing story line.

I've waited long to play those [censored]ers again, and 2010 is right around the corner.

I can't believe the 2010 preseason rankings have miami down around #20. This game will have much more national significance. The '03 championship only adds to it, as well.