Western Conf Final: Wings-Hawks

[generaladm]

For the sake of accuracy, Mess won 6 Stanley Cups (5 EDM, 1 NYR). Glenn Anderson and Kevin Lowe matched his total by playing on the same teams. Bryan Trottier won 6 Cups on non-Montreal teams (4 NYI, 2 PIT). As far as I can tell, those are the highest total cups by individuals since the 70's Canadiens. There are 5 Red Wings with a chance to win a 5th Cup this year: Lidstrom, Holmstrom, Draper, McCarty, and Maltby. Scott Niedermayer is the only other active player with 4 Cups (3 NJ, 1 ANA). Looks like there was only one player in history to win more than 6 Cups without playing for the Habs, Red Kelly (4 DET, 4 TOR, the last in '67).

In reference to Chelios, does anyone on here remember the specifics of why Montreal traded him? I'm sure acquiring Denny Savard seemed like a good deal at the time, but he was nearing the down slope of his career, and Chelois was already a perrenial all-star, Norris winner, and co-captain. Considering Savard only played 3 seasons for the Habs (topping out at 70 points), and Cheli is still playing 19 years later, it seems like an all-time bad trade.

 

[Mike80]

For the sake of accuracy, Mess won 6 Stanley Cups (5 EDM, 1 NYR). Glenn Anderson and Kevin Lowe matched his total by playing on the same teams. Bryan Trottier won 6 Cups on non-Montreal teams (4 NYI, 2 PIT). As far as I can tell, those are the highest total cups by individuals since the 70's Canadiens. There are 5 Red Wings with a chance to win a 5th Cup this year: Lidstrom, Holmstrom, Draper, McCarty, and Maltby. Scott Niedermayer is the only other active player with 4 Cups (3 NJ, 1 ANA). Looks like there was only one player in history to win more than 6 Cups without playing for the Habs, Red Kelly (4 DET, 4 TOR, the last in '67).

I knew someone would have the numbers right instead of me

In reference to Chelios, does anyone on here remember the specifics of why Montreal traded him? I'm sure acquiring Denny Savard seemed like a good deal at the time, but he was nearing the down slope of his career, and Chelois was already a perrenial all-star, Norris winner, and co-captain. Considering Savard only played 3 seasons for the Habs (topping out at 70 points), and Cheli is still playing 19 years later, it seems like an all-time bad trade.

Montreal still loves Chelios

 

[dragurd]

Well if the Coach keeps it up he's going to see his team get blasted again and whine some more. I'm glad the pens got rid of therrien he was whining pretty bad in the SCF. There is no place for that unless you blatantly get a goal stolen or given to the other team and even then whining about it serves no purpose as the NHL likely already knows they screwed up.

 

[souL]

I'm sure it's lost on you that I followed the Wings long before I knew college sports in general and college football in particular even existed.

So you're implying that I knew it but didn't care? It's not "lost" because it was never known. Being ignorant of the fact doesn't mean it ever got lost. Anyway--the circumstances matter not. The man had a hatred, and it didn't break nor even bend the slightest. Being ignorant of the same fact as I could not have changed this in him.

 

[souL]

Well if the Coach keeps it up he's going to see his team get blasted again and whine some more. I'm glad the pens got rid of therrien he was whining pretty bad in the SCF. There is no place for that unless you blatantly get a goal stolen or given to the other team and even then whining about it serves no purpose as the NHL likely already knows they screwed up.

Q has been on the bad end of some really questionable calls this year. During Johnny T's first career hat trick he had a high-stick goal disallowed by video that was eerily similar to a similar circumstance a few nights prior. The only things different were the opponent was the one that scored the goal, and the goal was upheld that time.

I've been saying for a LONG time that Q's steadfast determination to play Matt Walker in and of itself is deserving of his termination. Matt Walker could never be more than a 7th defensemen on some REALLY bad Blues teams. Aaron Johnson played great hockey for the Hawks whenever called upon, and while the team was struggling and Walker was out hurt, there were nights he was the Hawks best PLAYER, much less defensemen. Q does a lot of questionable things and while he's a clear upgrade from Denis Savard he isn't the guy to lead this team to the promised land. He deserves to be fired because I don't think he's capable of taking this team where it needs to go, and it's got nothing to do with his mouth. One of the greatest coaches in any sport currently is Phil Jackson, and he's notorious for his pandering.

Also, are you inferring that if he stopped crying like a baby, the Wings would take it easier on the Hawks and they wouldn't get blasted? In any case, I'm pretty tired of watching all the picks that Detroit sets. This isn't basketball, the pick and roll isn't legal. It's like the superstar treatment in the NBA. Disclaimer: every team in the NHL does this type of interference, but there is no clear rules violation that gets ignored with more frequency and Detroit does it more than anyone. It needs to be called more.

 

[dragurd]

No I wasn't inferring that. I was saying the Blackhawks lost 6-1. He needs to have some backbone and take some of the blame himself for not having the team ready rather then using gross hyperbole and saying that one call was the"worst in all of sports". If he hadn't lost his composure in game maybe your young team wouldn't have lost theirs. Thus allowing them a chance to at least make it respectable.

Yeah they set quite a few picks but I was amused when blackhawk fans compared it to the roughing that Pahlsson got and called it questionable. Pahlsson did the exact same thing Kronwall did that most of them went with their coach and thought was dirty except Flippula wasn't knocked out and the puck was about 5 ft away.

 

[Mike80]

So you're implying that I knew it but didn't care? It's not "lost" because it was never known. Being ignorant of the fact doesn't mean it ever got lost. Anyway--the circumstances matter not. The man had a hatred, and it didn't break nor even bend the slightest. Being ignorant of the same fact as I could not have changed this in him.

Said it several times, even last year when you claimed the Wings would lose a playoff series with the Hawks.

Also, are you inferring that if he stopped crying like a baby, the Wings would take it easier on the Hawks and they wouldn't get blasted? In any case, I'm pretty tired of watching all the picks that Detroit sets. This isn't basketball, the pick and roll isn't legal. It's like the superstar treatment in the NBA. Disclaimer: every team in the NHL does this type of interference, but there is no clear rules violation that gets ignored with more frequency and Detroit does it more than anyone. It needs to be called more.

And I'm tired of the dirty shit Ben Eager pulls every shift.

Sounds like sour grapes to me. As I've said before, never bet on Joel Quenneville in the playoffs - he sucks. He's a good regular season coach who always finds a way to be outcoached in the playoffs. And next year he'll wear out your goalies too. Good times!

And don't look now, but Chicago sets just as many picks as Detroit does. All NHL teams other than Columbus does it.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

Said it several times, even last year when you claimed the Wings would lose a playoff series with the Hawks.



And I'm tired of the dirty shit Ben Eager pulls every shift.

Sounds like sour grapes to me. As I've said before, never bet on Joel Quenneville in the playoffs - he sucks. He's a good regular season coach who always finds a way to be outcoached in the playoffs. And next year he'll wear out your goalies too. Good times!

And don't look now, but Chicago sets just as many picks as Detroit does. All NHL teams other than Columbus does it.

Columbus tries....they just end up setting picks on each other instead of on the opponent.

 

[3074326]

BK, at least they're not doing this.. pretty good hit here.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK8N1AZu1Qw]YouTube - Alex Ovechkin Takes Out Nicklas Backstrom 5/13/2009[/ame]

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Said it several times, even last year when you claimed the Wings would lose a playoff series with the Hawks.



And I'm tired of the dirty shit Ben Eager pulls every shift.

Sounds like sour grapes to me. As I've said before, never bet on Joel Quenneville in the playoffs - he sucks. He's a good regular season coach who always finds a way to be outcoached in the playoffs. And next year he'll wear out your goalies too. Good times!

And don't look now, but Chicago sets just as many picks as Detroit does. All NHL teams other than Columbus does it.

i dunno the wings set a lot of picks, ive got no problem with that i guess. if its not whistled its not called. if you have a bone to pick blame it on collie campbell, youd think hed get it straightened out for his boy...

wings are the best team in the west. period.

 

[Mike80]

No Havlat or Bulin for game 5 for the Hawks.

Still waiting on word about Lidstrom and Datsyuk, but I'm betting they won't be in the lineup.

 

[dragurd]

Supposedly Babcock said after the morning skate that Datsyuk and Lidstrom are out. I'm not that worried about them at the moment. However if we win and got to the proposed schedule of a back to back for games 1 and 2 on Sat and Sunday it could really hurt us. Especially if they are not recovered.

 

[Mike80]

FUCK Ericsson out too

 

[dragurd]

Jesus now I am starting to think there might be truth to the conspiricy theory. That Babcock would throw this game give his team more time to rest.

 

[Mike80]

Jesus now I am starting to think there might be truth to the conspiricy theory. That Babcock would throw this game give his team more time to rest.

Actually that won't help the Wings at all.

losing tonight means 2 back to backs in the Finals because that fucker Bettman can't tell the networks what to do and lets them schedule HIS league's finals for him.