Vince Young (unemployed)

[3yardsandacloud]

I'm wondering if those were intentional... I ran across those today and thought it looked like a cool way to organize the threads about individual games.

(intentional) I don't know jlow. I sent Clarity a PM about it, but so far haven't heard anything back about that topic.

 

[jwinslow]

sorry, didn't mean to call you out on it. I was moreso wondering if it was yet another cool feature on bp.

 

[3yardsandacloud]

sorry, didn't mean to call you out on it. I was moreso wondering if it was yet another cool feature on bp.

Ah, nah, I didn't think you "called me out". I'm just saying ... "I don't know if there was a plan" behind the Sub-Forums, or if it was just a mistake. Seemed strange to me to see the Game Threads as Sub-Forums. We'll figure it out as we go.

 

[texasfight06]

Is that a lack of confidence in Colt McCoy or confidence in the incoming freshmen? Or just a preference for a running offense?

Also, what is the current perception of VY in Austin right now? Are they happy for him for the National Championship and Top 5 draft position, or is there some measure of hostility over the number of times he said that he would return for next year?

Hardly any hostility, disappointed, sure. But if you bring a NC to a school that hasn't had one in 35 years, and then leave a year early, there will not be much hostility. He began waivering towards the end of the year, and I still think the outcome of the game was a big deciding factor. And I also wish that there would have been one last game for him to play at in Austin, but hey, there is a celebration party at DKR coming up, so at least he will hear the fans once more.

I am not too overly concerned with the frehsman, as Mack has seen the light in letting the ubertalented freshman get early pt, and I think Kindle and Snead will be given the opportunity they deserve for coming into Austin early. Snead is coming in for spring practice, so it should be between him and Colt for the starting position, but as early as we play tOSU, I wouldn't be suprised to see them both play, I don't want to see two QBs, but it might just have to be that way. Snead looked great in the Army game, and Colt has been bulking up. Vince says he has confidence in Colt, and hopefully Colt took on some of his leadership qualities. As Vince said, Colt has already been gaining the respect of the players that are there, so he has a definite heads up.

 

[Jeffcat]

i was actually infuriated to hear he was leaving. i was dying to have him on texas's team next year so we could pound them in austin and get some retribution. it wont feel as good not having young in the game and pounding him during it.:(

 

[jlb1705]

Jeffcat must've been smoking rock with Tyrone Biggums.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Jeffcat must've been smoking rock with Tyrone Biggums.

And some serious rock at that...

 

[OSUBasketballJunkie]

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1/10/06

COMMENTARY

Young’s choice isn’t best for everyone, but it makes sense

Tuesday, January 10, 2006


ROB OLLER

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Vince Young is turning pro. Good for him. Good for Ohio State. Bad for Texas.

Young, the junior quarterback who led the Longhorns to the national championship on Jan. 4, has every right to forgo his senior season and enter the NFL draft.

College is, after all, a steppingstone toward a career.

Spending $10,000 a year to think highfalutin’ thoughts and party like Old School is worth it only if you walk out prepared to make a go of it in the real world.

Young prepared himself for that big step by becoming the first player in NCAA history to pass for 3,000 yards (3,036) and rush for 1,000 (1,050) in one season. He capped his college career by totaling 467 yards and three touchdowns in a 41-38 Rose Bowl win over USC, a performance that likely turned him into a top-three draft pick.

Had Young opted to return to Austin, Texas, there’s no guarantee his draft potential would be any higher next year, and it easily could drop off with an injury or a down year. So I say go for it, Vince, and best of luck.

Just don’t try to sell us, as Texas coach Mack Brown has done — "A lot of Vince’s decision will be based on what’s best for everybody, because he’s really a caring person," Brown said — on this being a decision that’s in the best interest of all parties concerned. It’s not. This is about Young doing what’s best for Young, which is not to say it’s only about Young, no more than the decisions by Ohio State receiver Santonio Holmes and cornerback Ashton Youboty to turn pro are only about them.

Lost in the discussion of whether underclassmen are ready or best served to leave school early is the reality that one person’s decision affects the lives of many others.

Simply put, Young’s decision to leave Texas will leave the Longhorns in a lurch. He was 30-2 as a starter, which is a great statistic for Texas’ graduating seniors but not for returning players, who face the prospect of defending their national title without a proven quarterback. The only other scholarship QB on the roster, freshman Colt McCoy, redshirted last season and didn’t take a snap.

Brown put a positive spin on things. "We can still win football games at Texas, because we won them before Vince got here and we’ll win them afterwards," he said.

They just won’t win as many, as least not next season, which brings us to Ohio State’s good fortune. The decision that immediately hurts the Texas program helps the Buckeyes’ title hopes in 2006.

Ohio State travels to Texas on Sept. 9, and trying to upend the Longhorns, who were set to return 16 starters, was going to be a tall order until that number dropped to 15 with Young’s departure. Immediately, the Buckeyes go from being the bettingline underdogs to likely break even or better.

The night before the Rose Bowl, a reporter from Austin predicted four losses for Texas if Young turned pro.

In the afterglow of the Longhorns’ Rose Bowl victory, a crowd of Texas fans considered life with and without Young.

"Y’all don’t stand a chance if Vince comes back," one Lone Star stater said. "But y’all will whoop us if he leaves."

It can be assumed then, that come September, Texans will prepare themselves by placing pillows down their pants.

Of course, a loss to the Buckeyes next fall would hurt a lot more had Texas not ended USC’s 34-game winning streak last week. Still, not having Young means the Longhorns’ 20-game winning streak likely won’t make it to 34 — a number necessary to win a second consecutive national title.

So the decision by Young — or by any player who leaves early — affects not only him but also the collective them.

Rob Oller is a sports reporter for The Dispatch .



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[Texasize]

Thought this was a cool pic......

 

[ohiostate=life]

You thought correctly.

 

[Jeffcat]

Jeffcat must've been smoking rock with Tyrone Biggums.

nope not at all. just wish we got another crack at him.:(

 

[ohiostate=life]

Slightly off topic but I heard Mack Brown defending Young's passing critics during the NC and he said Young had the best passing efficiancy in the nation and that should be hard to argue with (in regards to people questioning his throwing ability). While agree he is efficient, he should be careful about calling him the MOST efficient.

Passing Efficiency
<TABLE cellSpacing=2 align=center><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=8>Year: 2005</TD><TD colSpan=8>Thru: 01/04/06 Minimum Pct. of Games Played 75</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=statstable align=center><TBODY><TR><TH>Rank</TH><TH>Player</TH><TH>Pos</TH><TH>Cl</TH><TH>Gm</TH><TH>Patt</TH><TH>Pcomp</TH><TH>Comppct</TH><TH>Int</TH><TH>Intpct</TH><TH>Pyds</TH><TH>Ydspatt</TH><TH>TDs</TH><TH>TDpct</TH><TH>Rating</TH></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>1</TD><TD class=crailbg>Rudy Carpenter, Arizona St.</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>SO</TD><TD class=crailbg>9</TD><TD>228</TD><TD>156</TD><TD>68.42</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>.88</TD><TD>2273</TD><TD>9.97</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>7.46</TD><TD>175.0</TD></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>2</TD><TD class=crailbg>Brian Brohm, Louisville</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>SO</TD><TD class=crailbg>10</TD><TD>301</TD><TD>207</TD><TD>68.77</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>1.66</TD><TD>2883</TD><TD>9.58</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>6.31</TD><TD>166.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>3</TD><TD class=crailbg>Vince Young, Texas</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>JR</TD><TD class=crailbg>13</TD><TD>325</TD><TD>212</TD><TD>65.23</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>3.08</TD><TD>3036</TD><TD>9.34</TD><TD>26</TD><TD>8.00</TD><TD>163.9</TD></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>4</TD><TD class=crailbg>Troy Smith, Ohio St.</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>SR</TD><TD class=crailbg>11</TD><TD>237</TD><TD>149</TD><TD>62.87</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>1.69</TD><TD>2282</TD><TD>9.63</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>6.75</TD><TD>162.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>5</TD><TD class=crailbg>Drew Olson, UCLA</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>SR</TD><TD class=crailbg>12</TD><TD>378</TD><TD>242</TD><TD>64.02</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>1.59</TD><TD>3198</TD><TD>8.46</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>8.99</TD><TD>161.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>6</TD><TD class=crailbg>Phil Horvath, Northern Ill.</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>JR</TD><TD class=crailbg>9</TD><TD>238</TD><TD>168</TD><TD>70.59</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>3.36</TD><TD>2001</TD><TD>8.41</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>7.56</TD><TD>159.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>7</TD><TD class=crailbg>Brady Quinn, Notre Dame</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>JR</TD><TD class=crailbg>12</TD><TD>450</TD><TD>292</TD><TD>64.89</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>1.56</TD><TD>3919</TD><TD>8.71</TD><TD>32</TD><TD>7.11</TD><TD>158.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>8</TD><TD class=crailbg>Matt Leinart, Southern California</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>SR</TD><TD class=crailbg>13</TD><TD>431</TD><TD>283</TD><TD>65.66</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>1.86</TD><TD>3815</TD><TD>8.85</TD><TD>28</TD><TD>6.50</TD><TD>157.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>9</TD><TD class=crailbg>Colt Brennan, Hawaii</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>SO</TD><TD class=crailbg>12</TD><TD>515</TD><TD>350</TD><TD>67.96</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>2.52</TD><TD>4301</TD><TD>8.35</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>6.80</TD><TD>155.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>10</TD><TD class=crailbg>Drew Stanton, Michigan St.</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>JR</TD><TD class=crailbg>11</TD><TD>354</TD><TD>236</TD><TD>66.67</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>3.39</TD><TD>3077</TD><TD>8.69</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>6.21</TD><TD>153.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>11</TD><TD class=crailbg>Brian Johnson, Utah</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>SO</TD><TD class=crailbg>10</TD><TD>330</TD><TD>210</TD><TD>63.64</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>2.12</TD><TD>2892</TD><TD>8.76</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>5.45</TD><TD>151.0</TD></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>12</TD><TD class=crailbg>Omar Jacobs, Bowling Green</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>JR</TD><TD class=crailbg>9</TD><TD>321</TD><TD>195</TD><TD>60.75</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>2.18</TD><TD>2590</TD><TD>8.07</TD><TD>26</TD><TD>8.10</TD><TD>150.9</TD></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>13</TD><TD class=crailbg>John Stocco, Wisconsin</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>JR</TD><TD class=crailbg>13</TD><TD>328</TD><TD>197</TD><TD>60.06</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>2.74</TD><TD>2920</TD><TD>8.90</TD><TD>21</TD><TD>6.40</TD><TD>150.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>14</TD><TD class=crailbg>Justin Holland, Colorado St.</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>SR</TD><TD class=crailbg>12</TD><TD>369</TD><TD>235</TD><TD>63.69</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>4.07</TD><TD>3185</TD><TD>8.63</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>6.23</TD><TD>148.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>15</TD><TD class=crailbg>Cody Hodges, Texas Tech</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>SR</TD><TD class=crailbg>12</TD><TD>531</TD><TD>353</TD><TD>66.48</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>2.26</TD><TD>4238</TD><TD>7.98</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>5.84</TD><TD>148.3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>16</TD><TD class=crailbg>D.J. Shockley, Georgia</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>SR</TD><TD class=crailbg>12</TD><TD>310</TD><TD>173</TD><TD>55.81</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>1.61</TD><TD>2588</TD><TD>8.35</TD><TD>24</TD><TD>7.74</TD><TD>148.3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>17</TD><TD class=crailbg>Ryan Hart, Rutgers</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>SR</TD><TD class=crailbg>10</TD><TD>255</TD><TD>155</TD><TD>60.78</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>3.14</TD><TD>2135</TD><TD>8.37</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>7.06</TD><TD>148.1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>18</TD><TD class=crailbg>Paul Pinegar, Fresno St.</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>SR</TD><TD class=crailbg>13</TD><TD>416</TD><TD>265</TD><TD>63.70</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>3.61</TD><TD>3335</TD><TD>8.02</TD><TD>30</TD><TD>7.21</TD><TD>147.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>19</TD><TD class=crailbg>Bruce Gradkowski, Toledo</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>SR</TD><TD class=crailbg>11</TD><TD>332</TD><TD>207</TD><TD>62.35</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>3.61</TD><TD>2469</TD><TD>7.44</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>8.73</TD><TD>146.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>20</TD><TD class=crailbg>Drew Tate, Iowa</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>JR</TD><TD class=crailbg>12</TD><TD>352</TD><TD>219</TD><TD>62.22</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>1.99</TD><TD>2828</TD><TD>8.03</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>6.25</TD><TD>146.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>21</TD><TD class=crailbg>Bryan Cupito, Minnesota</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>JR</TD><TD class=crailbg>11</TD><TD>297</TD><TD>176</TD><TD>59.26</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>3.03</TD><TD>2530</TD><TD>8.52</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>6.40</TD><TD>145.9</TD></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>22</TD><TD class=crailbg>Darrell Hackney, UAB</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>SR</TD><TD class=crailbg>11</TD><TD>386</TD><TD>242</TD><TD>62.69</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>3.11</TD><TD>3180</TD><TD>8.24</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>5.70</TD><TD>144.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>23</TD><TD class=crailbg>Marcus Vick, Virginia Tech</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>JR</TD><TD class=crailbg>13</TD><TD>289</TD><TD>177</TD><TD>61.25</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>3.46</TD><TD>2393</TD><TD>8.28</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>5.88</TD><TD>143.3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>24</TD><TD class=crailbg>Paul Smith, Tulsa</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>SO</TD><TD class=crailbg>13</TD><TD>364</TD><TD>227</TD><TD>62.36</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>1.65</TD><TD>2835</TD><TD>7.79</TD><TD>20</TD><TD>5.49</TD><TD>142.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=crailbg>25</TD><TD class=crailbg>Jordan Palmer, UTEP</TD><TD class=crailbg>QB</TD><TD class=crailbg>JR</TD><TD class=crailbg>12</TD><TD>434</TD><TD>258</TD><TD>59.45</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>4.38</TD><TD>3503</TD><TD>8.07</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>6.68</TD><TD>140.5</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


This is including the NC game which would only help Young's stats because of his alien performance (30/40 for 267 yds.). I'm liking Troy's position as well.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

I may be wrong, but I think VY did have the highest efficiency rating before the bowl games.

I don't understand the rating system fully, but I would not be surprised if his rating did drop after the Rose Bowl due to his lack of touchdown passes in the game.

 

[High Lonesome]

I may be wrong, but I think VY did have the highest efficiency rating before the bowl games.

I don't understand the rating system fully, but I would not be surprised if his rating did drop after the Rose Bowl due to his lack of touchdown passes in the game.

before the bowls vince was the highest rated passer in the nation. The college ratings(i have been told any way) are skewed towards Yards/completion and touchdowns. neither of those were very good for vince in the rose bowl. believe it or not 30-40 for 267 hurt vince. that along with the fact that the kid from az st. now had enough games to qualify for the national rankings. he stepped in half way through the year when their starter went down.


also, it is looking more and more like the texans are taking a hard look at taking vince with the first pick. one of the reasons is that if they don't then Tenn will(divisional foe) and the houston fans will never let bob mcnair be forgiven. this would almost be the equivelant, in their eyes anyway, of cleveland passing on lebron

 

[texasfight06]

I may be wrong, but I think VY did have the highest efficiency rating before the bowl games.

I don't understand the rating system fully, but I would not be surprised if his rating did drop after the Rose Bowl due to his lack of touchdown passes in the game.

He did have the highest rating before the bowl games, but I think the ASU kid didn't have enought attempts before the bowl game to qualify for the leaderboard