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USC 34 at Notre Dame 27 (Final)

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ttk;1571134; said:
Oh, and if you want to see it at full speed, watch this video (because I still don't think you watched the game):

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The phantom "late" hit was at 1:37. Sure, Mays is a beast and launches the guy out of bounds... but he was still in-bounds when he hit him. He also pats the guy on the helmet afterward and makes sure he's okay. WHAT A THUG! Clearly Mays should have let him just keep tearing down the sideline!

3:13 is the part where Mays takes the guys helmet off. Again, you can see that Mays was well in motion by the time he gets there. The player catches the ball with 38 seconds to go, and Mays hits him... with 38 seconds to go! So within the SAME SECOND as the catch. And even with that, Mays didn't really hit the guy, he came up over him and ended up taking his helmet off. Then he gets hit with a "hitting a defenseless player" infraction which is used HOW often? It wasn't even a late hit, and within that single second how was Mays to know he was supposedly "defenseless?"

Then again I guess if you're a WR going against Mays, you are pretty much defenseless all the time, right?
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I'm with you, I thought the refs were shafting the Trojans.
 
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ttk said:
I'm not expecting "breaks." I'm simply expecting fair, consistent play-calling.

Watch this video, Joe McKnight's run at 12 seconds into the video: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3wsHgVolf8"]YouTube - JOE McKNIGHT, ALLEN BRADFORD vs. Notre Dame 2009[/ame]


McKnight takes a full five steps out of bounds before being hit by an Irish player. Absolutely no call. You guys would be furious if this happened to one of your guys.

Meanwhile, Mays hits a guy while he is still in-bounds and gets called for a late hit.


There's a difference between wanting "breaks" and wanting officials to do their jobs.
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is his heel going to be OK? that was a brutal hit.

:p
 
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5 full steps out of bounds, and right in front of the official....

It wasn't a "big hit" by any means, but it was completely unnecessary as well. The ND guy could have simply let up, slowed to a jog, and went back to the huddle. Like I said, McKnight was OOB for 5 steps... and that's when the tub of goo wearing 95 goes to hit him.
 
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Eh, you can call it, but it wasn't malicious imo. When I watched it at full speed from the normal angle, it looked like McKnight was heading back inbounds to keep running.
 
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jwinslow;1571190; said:
Eh, you can call it, but it wasn't malicious imo. When I watched it at full speed from the normal angle, it looked like McKnight was heading back inbounds to keep running.
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I agree that it wasn't malicious. But, if they're going to enforce other mickey mouse stuff... well.. this one certainly qualifies.
 
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jwinslow;1571190; said:
Eh, you can call it, but it wasn't malicious imo. When I watched it at full speed from the normal angle, it looked like McKnight was heading back inbounds to keep running.
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Maybe, but the rules aren't supposed to be enforced based on "perceived intent"
 
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ttk;1571066; said:
Were you actually watching the game?

Mays was in-motion when he the other guy was down, but okay, let's say you call it... I assume you're talking about the hit over the middle? How about the other one, when Mays got called for hitting a guy who was still in-bounds, just on the sideline... still, the guy was in-bounds and was hit out by Mays. Mays was effectively penalized for knocking the guy off the field.

Meanwhile, McKnight had taken FIVE steps out of bounds before being hit by an Irish player, and nothing was called. NOTHING. This is with a ref standing right there, also.

Griffen is an idiot for doing the flex, especially when told to stop, but miraculously Manti Teo was able to flex after his plays and not get called for anything. Tate was able to taunt and pat his biceps in the end zone and nothing was called.

I'm just going to say you clearly weren't watching the game. And just because Carroll didn't punish the guy right there doesn't mean he won't later. Ever think Carroll might not have been looking over there at that exact time and wasn't sure what happened?
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So ttk...would you say that Coleman is more deserving of the 1st Team AA status as opposed to Mays?

Coleman: 48 tackles, 28 solo tackles, 1 sack, 3 forced fumbles (should be 4), 2 INT, 1 TD
Mays: 37 tackles, 15 solo, 1 INT

I know people don't throw at him so he won't get the same stats but if you've watched any of Coleman's highlights he is always making plays.
 
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Merih;1571289; said:
So ttk...would you say that Coleman is more deserving of the 1st Team AA status as opposed to Mays?

Coleman: 48 tackles, 28 solo tackles, 1 sack, 3 forced fumbles (should be 4), 2 INT, 1 TD
Mays: 37 tackles, 15 solo, 1 INT

I know people don't throw at him so he won't get the same stats but if you've watched any of Coleman's highlights he is always making plays.
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I'd say right now Coleman would be more deserving, sure, especially based on stats. The guy is having an incredible year.

If I had the choice between the two on a football team though I would definitely take Mays, for the intangibles he brings to the defense. Like you said people just don't throw near him, and it allows USC's defense to do things it otherwise wouldn't. I am not looking forward to not having him next year.

Also, stat-wise Mays got injured in the game against you guys and missed the next game against Washington. I don't know if Coleman missed any but it's worth noting as far as stats go.
 
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ttk;1571310; said:
I'd say right now Coleman would be more deserving, sure, especially based on stats. The guy is having an incredible year.

If I had the choice between the two on a football team though I would definitely take Mays, for the intangibles he brings to the defense. Like you said people just don't throw near him, and it allows USC's defense to do things it otherwise wouldn't. I am not looking forward to not having him next year.

Also, stat-wise Mays got injured in the game against you guys and missed the next game against Washington. I don't know if Coleman missed any but it's worth noting as far as stats go.
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Yeah he was suspended for the Indiana game.
 
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ttk;1571310; said:
I'd say right now Coleman would be more deserving, sure, especially based on stats. The guy is having an incredible year.

If I had the choice between the two on a football team though I would definitely take Mays, for the intangibles he brings to the defense. Like you said people just don't throw near him, and it allows USC's defense to do things it otherwise wouldn't. I am not looking forward to not having him next year.

Also, stat-wise Mays got injured in the game against you guys and missed the next game against Washington. I don't know if Coleman missed any but it's worth noting as far as stats go.
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Coleman missed the Indiana game due to a Big Ten suspension for a helmet-to-helmet hit in the Illinois game.
 
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