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A team that didn't win their division or conference was allowed to play for a National Title. Regard it as odd all you want (I realize it's you Max, so you're going to take ESPN's side just to be contrarian), but that scenario can only be described as a beauty pageant, especially given the financial conflict of interest ESPN has vis a vis the CFP "playoff" and the SEC SEC SEC.
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Remember when we had to have a playoff so as to solve the issue of there being a question who the Champion was? How the playoff would extinguish all the controversy? Good times.
In other news, I have just declared myself a National Champion for all sports 2018. The NCAA or ESPN (if you wish) may declare other champs, but make no mistake, I too am a champion. I'm gonna paint it on T-shirts and cop cars, so it's real.
In other news, I have just declared myself a National Champion for all sports 2018. The NCAA or ESPN (if you wish) may declare other champs, but make no mistake, I too am a champion. I'm gonna paint it on T-shirts and cop cars, so it's real.
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Well since you're everyone everywhere, this makes sense....
The NCAA doesn't really determine the champion in D-1A/FBS/etc football. They do for every other level.
Besides, the same people who ran the BCS are running the CFP selection committee. At least with the BCS you had computer models and something actually tangible to go by. This is 12 or 13 people voting behind closed doors (which is oddly consistent with the sport), but totally a beauty pageant.
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I am aware, which is why I tossed in the "ESPN (if you wish)" part....
Regardless, and being on record as having had issues with the playoff the selection committee gave us (Alabama should not have been included, all things considered), it's just dumb for any school anywhere to just say "We're the National Champions" I mean, we joke about Alabama and other schools and all their "claimed" titles, why is UCF any different? Because ESPN sucks? Because the committee sucks? Plain fact is, UCF played two ranked teams, Memphis (25) twice and South Florida (21). In the second Memphis game, by the score, you might as well have been watching basketball (62-55). I feel comfortable saying UCF would not have been in the running had they played any of Clemson, Georgia, Oklahoma, Alabama, or hell, even Ohio State's schedules.
Long and short, Tulane was undefeated in 1998. No one claims they should have won the title over Tennessee
Utah went undefeated in 2004, but no one claims they should have won the title over USC or Auburn (who was crying about their not having a chance... despite playing the fucking Citadel La tech and La Monroe OOC)
Truck driver U went undefeated in 2006, but no one says they should be champion over Florida (Well, that's not fair, one "WOKE AS FUCK" AP pollster did)
Then there was Utah again in 2008 who ended up 13-0 and #2 behind 13-1 Florida. Didn't hear the Utes being whiny fucktards about it.
2009 Truckdrivers ended up 4th behind Bama No one cried... also not fair, as frosted tips was surely pounding the table along with his ESPN cronies trying to get a playoff...
I'll stop there, just because my point is pretty clear by now - Merely going undefeated isn't all that important/impressive nor does it render the team "deserving" nor.. is any self declared National Championship worth a bucket of piss.
Fuck them. If they want to be a football National Champion, they should go play in some other fucking division.
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I don't disagree with the point that UCF didn't really clear the bar.
I just want to watch the CFP collapse under its own weight and burn baby burn. Anyone causing disruptions to the system - and irrelevant as UCF is or isn't doesn't matter, they are making noise and therefore a disruption - are a good thing in my IMO.
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Usually those are ridiculing teams that lost a game... often a bowl game against another claimant.
UCF went undefeated, won their division, won their conference, and beat Auburn... something Alabama cant say.
Change the date by 30 years and nobody would blink an eye at UCF having a share of the title.
Alabama being gifted 2nd chances despite losing on the field, twice now ... that will continue to be ridiculed.
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College football will survive the failure of ESPN's beauty pageant. Don't be so overly-dramatic. The "Supposed" Buckeye fan comment is hilarious too there "max"
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CFB is transitioning from being a sport that crowned a champion based almost solely on regular season performance to a sport trying to crown a champion based on an end of season tournament.
Team 1 wins the regular season basketball crown, team 2 wins the conference tournament.
Who's the real champ?
Team 1 wins the regular season basketball crown, team 2 wins the conference tournament.
Who's the real champ?
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I have no issue ridiculing Alabama and their having had a second chance. I am firm in my position that they should not have been in the playoff, even in light of them winning it all. As for UCF and 30 years ago, ask BYU if they think people blink eyes
I admit, I forgot UCF beat Auburn, so that's another feather in their cap re: ranked teams I suppose.
I still don't think any mid major should be given a seat at the table. I think that the "big boys" should compete for the title, and the rest should form some other division to compete for some other title. New Mexico State, Bowling Green, UCF... these schools are simply not competing with the big boys, year in and year out, and frankly I wish they'd go the fuck away. I guess I think if they want to be considered, they ought to do what Utah did.. they didn't complain, they joined the Pac 12 And... look how many times they've finished undefeated and in the top 10 since.
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To me, the team that won the regular season is more champion than a team that won a handful of games. Take baseball, if a team wins 110 games out of 162 games..... just why the fuck do they need to do a goddamned thing else to get the opportunity to play the winner of the other league, ya know?
Or, if you prefer, 2002 Ohio State.... should they have been made to play the winner of USC Iowa (I realize seeding would have been different, probably Ohio State v. USC and then the winner of that playing the winner of Iowa Miami)
Villanova 1985 is another great example, as far as I'm concerned..... Georgetown beat them 2 out of 3 times they played, but... apparently only the game in March meant a fuck
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I'm with you. Tournaments/playoffs introduce a lot of randomness/luck.
That said, if you just want to go by regular season then you are never going to have a "true" champion in CFB because they don't all play each other.
Hell, you could make the same case about conference champions anymore. Why does a team like Wisconsin get a shot at the East winner when they had to play no one to win the West? Anything can happen in one game. Same for SEC west vs SEC east right now.
Having seen the transition from the old Bowl system to today's CFP, I don't know if it's any better to day at all. Win the Big Ten, go play the PAC champ in the Rose Bowl and call it a season. Who gives a fuck who the mythical national champion is?
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