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U.S. Men's National Soccer (Official Thread)

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Bucklion said:
Arena keeps praising MLS...dumbass
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It's a pretty simply fucking correlation at this point. They made the push to pull everyone back here and now there's virtually no one in EPL. A handful in Germany (because Klinnsman obviously had a hard-on for those guys). I don't know. No numbers in front of me but having a fucking MLS squad out there was a disaster and now who knows where we end up.
 
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OHSportsFan said:
It's a pretty simply fucking correlation at this point. They made the push to pull everyone back here and now there's virtually no one in EPL. A handful in Germany (because Klinnsman obviously had a hard-on for those guys). I don't know. No numbers in front of me but having a fucking MLS squad out there was a disaster and now who knows where we end up.
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There's nothing wrong with MLS if it is used right, but that's in reverse of what it is now. In 02 we had the guys who started in MLS and went elsewhere in Europe later like Friedel, Keller, McBride, Bocanegra, etc. Now the idea that somehow MLS is quality enough that our guys can play here in their primes because we have 40 YO hangers on from Europe coming for one more payday is beyond ludicrous. This should be a farm league until guys are able to play in the big 5 in Europe.
 
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Bucklion said:
There's nothing wrong with MLS if it is used right, but that's in reverse of what it is now. In 02 we had the guys who started in MLS and went elsewhere in Europe later like Friedel, Keller, McBride, Bocanegra, etc. Now the idea that somehow MLS is quality enough that our guys can play here in their primes because we have 40 YO hangers on from Europe coming for one more payday is beyond ludicrous. This should be a farm league until guys are able to play in the big 5 in Europe.
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Nailed it.

Also, while I'm posting. Fuck Nike and those stupid Russki looking red jerseys. Everything needs burned (save for my buddy).
 
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Eh, I understand trying to grow the domestic professional presence, and I'm all for doing that. Unfortunately, it looks like it has cost us a World Cup, and I can see it costing another one in the next 3 cycles as well. I know you can argue that you don't need MLS to be a serious international level league, but I think in the long run it could be a good thing to help hold an increased interest level (plus, why wouldn't you want to be able to watch EPL-quality matches over here in person on a regular basis?). Obviously you don't want to have the result that we just saw (and probably could have been avoided regardless had they come out swinging from the start), but there's no reason to not want the MLS to be a league with international stars in their prime, and be a home for equally talented USMNT players. There may be other ways to go about it, and that's a discussion worth having, but trying to keep our national team stars at home wasn't a bad idea either.
 
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scarletmike said:
Eh, I understand trying to grow the domestic professional presence, and I'm all for doing that. Unfortunately, it looks like it has cost us a World Cup, and I can see it costing another one in the next 3 cycles as well. I know you can argue that you don't need MLS to be a serious international level league, but I think in the long run it could be a good thing to help hold an increased interest level (plus, why wouldn't you want to be able to watch EPL-quality matches over here in person on a regular basis?). Obviously you don't want to have the result that we just saw (and probably could have been avoided regardless had they come out swinging from the start), but there's no reason to not want the MLS to be a league with international stars in their prime, and be a home for equally talented USMNT players. There may be other ways to go about it, and that's a discussion worth having, but trying to keep our national team stars at home wasn't a bad idea either.
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I get it... but until the $$$ start rolling in MLS is nothing more than a AA squad in baseball and that's great AA baseball games are great and accessible where you can see up and comers but lets be honest soccer will never be a major sport in the US. maybe if they ban Football, Futbal might have a chance.
 
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scarletmike said:
but trying to keep our national team stars at home wasn't a bad idea either.
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Yes it was. If you have say, a realistic 40 player pool... Until you have 10 guys in your team that are legit international players that are your core and they are in their prime.... You don't have the luxury to call guys "home"

Your pool needs to look like 20 Dev players, hopefully 10 in MLS waiting to move to Europe. 10 guys there (that may be 2nd division developmental guys) 10 full time first division European guys. They can be Jermaine Jones kind of dudes, or damarcus beasleys, point is I'm not expecting 10 pulisics or Dempsey types in their prime. Then 10 local, ready to show up MLS vets. Half MLS guys and half former euro league guys... With experience.

That to me needs to be the 10 years from now model. Notice the development half becomes the experience half and MLS has a big part to play, but the more of the pool you have playing at high and diverse levels, the more choices you get. You worry about 6's and 10's but when the last fucking time we had a left back in his prime that was worth a shit?

Remember, at the end, you have to build a team, not just find 15ish dudes who are good. You need 25 good guys. Then you're 3 or so deep with your choices.

If you're Ghana you love you some MLS for your primary Dev league plus some stars.
 
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We can blame the MLS all we want, but a majority of Panama's starting XI, a good number of Costa Rica's starting XI, and a few Mexican players play in the MLS.

The real disappointment should be in the U23, U20, U17 squads for not properly developing these players, and the senior squad's over-reliance on using players 3-5 years past their prime to even get them qualified.

The lack of goalkeeper development is a huge letdown, and inexcusable. The defensive development has been horrible. The strikers are so inconsistent, it's hard telling who deserves to start. Bobby Wood plays in the Bundesliga, and he was awful tonight.

There's so many issues with US Soccer, that pointing the finger ONLY at MLS is weak.
 
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