• Follow us on Twitter @buckeyeplanet and @bp_recruiting, like us on Facebook! Enjoy a post or article, recommend it to others! BP is only as strong as its community, and we only promote by word of mouth, so share away!
  • Consider registering! Fewer and higher quality ads, no emails you don't want, access to all the forums, download game torrents, private messages, polls, Sportsbook, etc. Even if you just want to lurk, there are a lot of good reasons to register!

ttun Shenanigans, Arguments, and Emasculated Cucks (2019 thread)

Status
Not open for further replies.
Latest 247 rankings are out. I know it's very early in the cycle, but lets see how the poop weasels are doing closing that talent gap...

scUM:
260
265
300
341
476
508
783
avg - 419
Those are the 247 Composite rankings. Check out the 247 internal rankings (in bold). Yikes!

Michigan commits:
  • LB Osman Savage - Down 58 spots (247 - #422, Composite - #260)
  • CB Andre Seldon - Down 44 spots (247 - #368, Composite - #265)
  • QB JD Johnson - Up 34 spots (247 - #636, Composite - #300)
  • WR Kalil Branham - Down 20 spots (247 - #257, Composite - #341)
  • LB Cornell Wheeler - Down 99 spots (247 - #722, Composite - #477)
  • TE Nick Patterson - Down 105 spots (247 - #1003, Composite - #508)
  • OT Micah Mazzccua - 1st ranking (247 - #831, Composite - #783)
Average = 606

When your highest-ranking recruit is wearing a basketball uniform in his 247 profile picture ... not good!

8461134.jpg
 
Upvote 0
Those are the 247 Composite rankings. Check out the 247 internal rankings (in bold). Yikes!

Michigan commits:
  • LB Osman Savage - Down 58 spots (247 - #422, Composite - #260)
  • CB Andre Seldon - Down 44 spots (247 - #368, Composite - #265)
  • QB JD Johnson - Up 34 spots (247 - #636, Composite - #300)
  • WR Kalil Branham - Down 20 spots (247 - #257, Composite - #341)
  • LB Cornell Wheeler - Down 99 spots (247 - #722, Composite - #477)
  • TE Nick Patterson - Down 105 spots (247 - #1003, Composite - #508)
  • OT Micah Mazzccua - 1st ranking (247 - #831, Composite - #783)
Average = 606

When your highest-ranking recruit is wearing a basketball uniform in his 247 profile picture ... not good!

8461134.jpg
Serious question, and I'm trying to set aside the shenanigans and hate; did anybody expect the harbrau to be such a "meh" recruiter? Looking at it with all the "insider" stuff set aside, he came in off of a pretty successful NFL stint, had the "qb whisperer" (accurate or not) label, the whole "prodigal son returning" narrative...and...well, hasn't moved the needle at all recruiting-wise. Yeah, he's had a couple of top-10 classes, but those were built on quantity. I didn't expect him to come in and start cleaning house on the recruiting trail like a lot of the dfbia did, but I certainly thought he'd recruit similarly to Hoke when it comes to a pretty steady stream of 4* with the occasional 5* kid peppered in. Most surprising, to me anyway, is that they're going into year five and not a single harbrau recruit has made any kind of positive impact at QB:

2015 - Rudock (grad transfer, decent year)
2016 - Speight (Hoke recruit, meh year)
2017 - Speight (bad start, injured) // Peters (harbrau recruit, sucked)
2018 - Patterson (grad transfer, meh season)
2019 - Patterson (grad transfer, tbd)

What he's done is completely underwhelming. His classes are largely a 3* buffet with the occasional 4* peppered in and the very rare 5* kid. This is now his fifth class with his fingerprints and they don't have a single top-250 kid committed, and aren't in on many top-100 kids at all. I guess I get the struggles at this point because he's kind of being exposed as the fraud he is, but he had a ton of momentum and positive press early on and didn't even really capitalize on that.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
Serious question, and I'm trying to set aside the shenanigans and hate; did anybody expect the harbrau to be such a "meh" recruiter? Looking at it with all the "insider" stuff set aside, he came in off of a pretty successful NFL stint, had the "qb whisperer" (accurate or not) label, the whole "prodigal son returning" narrative...and...well, hasn't moved the needle at all recruiting-wise. Yeah, he's had a couple of top-10 classes, but those were built on quantity. I didn't expect him to come in and start cleaning house on the recruiting trail like a lot of the dfbia did, but I certainly thought he'd recruit similarly to Hoke when it comes to a pretty steady stream of 4* with the occasional 5* kid peppered in.

What he's done is completely underwhelming. His classes are largely a 3* buffet with the occasional 4* peppered in and the very rare 5* kid. This is now his fifth class with his fingerprints and they don't have a single top-250 kid committed, and aren't in on many top-100 kids at all. I guess I get the struggles at this point because he's kind of being exposed as the fraud he is, but he had a ton of momentum and positive press early on and didn't even really capitalize on that.

Honestly I thought that 17-18 year old kids would gobble up whatever he was going to sell. Maybe ignore the oozing crazy coming out of him. Was he going to recruit like Saban or Meyer? That was doubtful but I expected him to provide resistance.

Today’s 17-18 year old athlete is a lot smarter than I gave them credit for. Kudos to you, young Div. 1 recruit.
 
Upvote 0
Serious question, and I'm trying to set aside the shenanigans and hate; did anybody expect the harbrau to be such a "meh" recruiter?
No.

Harbaugh's onlyslightly above Michigan's historical "norm" for the Internet Recruiting Era.

I'll give Harbaugh a "pass" on the Class of 2015, since he was only head coach for about five weeks before that class was signed.

In his four full classes, Harbaugh has signed 102 recruits with an average score of .9027, with a the 2017 class being his best per recruit at .9120

From 2002 to 2014, Michigan signed 279 recruits with an average score of .8937, with the 2003 class being the best per recruit at .9135

As stated above, Harbaugh's last four classes have an average per recruit rating of .9027

Ohio State's last four classes have an average per recruit rating of .9315, which is a huge difference. People who do not understand recruiting do not understand this.

Assuming an 85-man roster, If Michigan signed a 25-man class in 2020 with an average per recruit of .9400 (far above their best class ever), then their per recruit average would rise to .9137, still far behind Ohio State's .9315

If Michigan signed another 25-man class in 2021 with an average per recruit rating of .9400, then their per recruit average would rise to .9246

If Michigan signed a 20-man class in 2022 with an average per recruit of .9400, then their average per recruit would rise to .9334, or basically equal with Ohio State.

In other words, Michigan would have to sign three large classes in a row, with a per recruit average far above their best class ever (not to mention their historical norm), just to equal Ohio State. Needless to say, Michigan is never going to sign even one class with a per recruit average of .9400, much less three in a row, so the talent gap will continue in Ohio State's favor unless Ohio State's recruiting falls off dramatically. If the Buckeyes' 2020 class is any indication, that ain't happening any time soon.
 
Upvote 0
Assuming an 85-man roster, If Michigan signed a 25-man class in 2020 with an average per recruit of .9400 (far above their best class ever), then their per recruit average would rise to .9137, still far behind Ohio State's .9315

If Michigan signed another 25-man class in 2021 with an average per recruit rating of .9400, then their per recruit average would rise to .9246

If Michigan signed a 20-man class in 2022 with an average per recruit of .9400, then their average per recruit would rise to .9334, or basically equal with Ohio State.

[DFBIA]
giphy (6).gif [/DFBIA]
 
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top