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ttun Shenanigans, Arguments, and Emasculated Cucks (2019 thread)

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I guess you could call this turd polishing that QB

He's a "more mobile stronger armed Wilton Speight" even this seems to be a reach, Wilton Speight at least had offers from Da U and NC State out of HS from what I can find. Far above anything Villari has been able to receive.

maize-blue

December 18th, 2019 at 1:51 PM ^

My first impression of Villari is a more mobile Wilton Speight.
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Blue Middle

December 18th, 2019 at 2:29 PM ^

I think that's right on the money. Arm might be a bit better, and he's got plus athleticism and instincts. We'll see if he can round himself into a top-tier college QB.
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NFBuck said:
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Excellent work! That just has to be a BuckeyePlanet troll.
 
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The Ministry of excuses attempts to fluff their class:

https://mgoblog.com/content/signing-day-lois-are-mostly

This isn't the Catch Ohio State class, if such a thing exists. A version of the 2021 class that's spearheaded by 5* QB JJ McCarthy in which he plays pied piper to various other high-end prospects would be more along those lines. The Columbus Death Star will have a top 5 class anyway, and things will likely proceed as they have. Ah well.
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This is assuming McCarthy doesn't start re-considering if (when) scUM and the Harbrau post another disappointing season. It would get especially interesting if they get off to a slow start and rumors start swirling (again) about Harbrau's job security. 365 days is a long time to hold onto a 5* qb prospect when you don't have an established track record.

Housekeeping notes
Folks Michigan is waiting on:

  • 4* CB CB Darion Green-Warren, who will announce at his all-star game. Bunch of Michigan crystal balls came in for him but there is USC talk, because who wouldn't want to sign up for the #76 class in the country?
  • 3* NY QB Dan Villari, who appears to be Michigan's CJ Stroud fallback. He's announcing later today.
  • 3* VA OL James Pogorelc. Pogorelc's crystal ball is 100% Stanford but maybe the Cardinal having 12 guys in the portal after a 4-8 season, including four starters, could push him away from what's hopefully David Shaw cratering. He intends to sign late.
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3* heaven.

LOIs still un-faxed:

  • 3* OL Micah Mazzccua. We've heard that Mazzccua won't be signing anywhere today.
  • 3* TE Nick Patterson. Decommit rumors have swirled around Patterson for months and he did take fall visits to GT and Memphis.
  • 3* RB Gaige Garcia. Garcia's school has a ceremony scheduled for 6 PM.
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Nick Patterson is Sheila's little bro. They probably wouldn't care much if he left, but to lose him to GT or Memphis? Oofah.

The unfortunate half of the 3.5 star class: Michigan has one top-100 recruit, IL WR AJ Henning, and he checks in at #92. Only six guys are more than a dozen or so slots from 3.5 star status. There are no slam-dunk guys, and Michigan really could have used some slam-dunk guys at spots like CB and DT.
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Again, their highest-rated croot is #92. tOSU has five rated higher than that. CB and DT depth is going to be a very serious issue for them over the next couple of seasons.

The unfortunate half of the 3.5 star class: Michigan has one top-100 recruit, IL WR AJ Henning, and he checks in at #92. Only six guys are more than a dozen or so slots from 3.5 star status. There are no slam-dunk guys, and Michigan really could have used some slam-dunk guys at spots like CB and DT.

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Instead Michigan appears set to embark on multi-year beefening projects with Kris Jenkins and Aaron Lewis. Jenkins is actually a pretty good bet for a guy who's still listed at 239 on his 24/7 profile. His dad, also named Kris, was a four-time Pro Bowl DT, and at 6'4" leverage shouldn't be a big issue. Lewis is more of a question.
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DT was a MAJOR issue this season and there is no help coming. Welp...

Michigan does have a highly ranked CB in in-state prospect Andre Seldon, but at 5'8" he seems to have a hard cap. There are no other corners in the class, and that's a nervous situation when the 2017 class seems to be petering out into Vincent Gray and nope. Adding Green-Warren would help a lot, but you have to wonder why Michigan's had a such a struggle to get touted corners in after this Jourdan Lewis/David Long/Lavert Hill/Ambry Thomas run.

CB is the spot at which recruiting rankings seem to live up to their billing most often. Falling back to the pack here will have consequences.
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They had decent CB play this season, but Lavert Hill was clearly their best CB and he gone. They bring back Ambry Thomas and Vincent Gray who was a 3*, #700 nationally rated prospect in 2017 and hasn't shown anything indicating he might outpace his croot ratings. There is not much depth-wise and they aren't bringing in much.

State of the state
Michigan picked up the #2, 5, 6, and 13 prospects in Michigan. Guys they didn't get:

  • #1 Justin Rogers, DT. As mentioned, I assume that any legit top-100 prospect who signs with Kentucky is not an option for Michigan.
  • #3 Enzo Jennings, S. Jennings signed with Penn State. Michigan offered in April but there never seemed to be any mutual interest. Michigan ended up with about 4 Enzos in this class.
  • #4 Maliq Carr, WR. Signed with Purdue. Michigan had an on-again, off-again recruitment with Carr. The "on" part was about three weeks long, but I liked those three weeks. Michigan apparently wanted him as a TE and he wanted to play WR. A jump ball guy would have been nice to add to the fast mighty-mites.
  • #7 Cameron Martinez, ATH. Committed to but did not sign with OSU. Michigan has various Martinez-alikes on the roster and in this class.
  • #8 Rashawn Williams, WR. Set to be Indiana's next ponderous but effective jump-ball guy; seemed like most big schools backed off midway through his recruitment and Indiana swooped in.
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That is just a bad job. Harbau's recruiting has been way below expectation, but for a supposed "rock-star" coach, and the head of the only decent program (sparty is dead) major program in the state, you gotta do way better than that.

All in all, that recruiting class is not a good sign for a HC that's beginning to get a lot of questions about his ability to push his program beyond the realm of B1G also-rans. The offense has been mostly bad during his tenure, but the defense (outside of tOSU) has been functional. If they continue to atrophy at DT and CB, that's a really bad sign for that side of the ball.
 
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The #1 player in their state was at their position of most need and they never even really had a shot at him?

HAHAHAHA!
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They're claiming (no shit) that if he committed to kentucky, there was no way he was getting into _ichigan...

Michigan was unfortunate that the biggest DT prospect in the Midwest was Justin Rogers, who signed with Kentucky. As a general rule highly-rated prospects who sign with Kentucky cannot sign with Michigan even if they want to.
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Yeah, that must be it. :slappy:
 
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NFBuck said:
The Ministry of excuses attempts to fluff their class:

https://mgoblog.com/content/signing-day-lois-are-mostly


This is assuming McCarthy doesn't start re-considering if (when) scUM and the Harbrau post another disappointing season. It would get especially interesting if they get off to a slow start and rumors start swirling (again) about Harbrau's job security. 365 days is a long time to hold onto a 5* qb prospect when you don't have an established track record.


3* heaven.


Nick Patterson is Sheila's little bro. They probably wouldn't care much if he left, but to lose him to GT or Memphis? Oofah.


Again, their highest-rated croot is #92. tOSU has five rated higher than that. CB and DT depth is going to be a very serious issue for them over the next couple of seasons.


DT was a MAJOR issue this season and there is no help coming. Welp...


They had decent CB play this season, but Lavert Hill was clearly their best CB and he gone. They bring back Ambry Thomas and Vincent Gray who was a 3*, #700 nationally rated prospect in 2017 and hasn't shown anything indicating he might outpace his croot ratings. There is not much depth-wise and they aren't bringing in much.


That is just a bad job. Harbau's recruiting has been way below expectation, but for a supposed "rock-star" coach, and the head of the only decent program (sparty is dead) major program in the state, you gotta do way better than that.

All in all, that recruiting class is not a good sign for a HC that's beginning to get a lot of questions about his ability to push his program beyond the realm of B1G also-rans. The offense has been mostly bad during his tenure, but the defense (outside of tOSU) has been functional. If they continue to atrophy at DT and CB, that's a really bad sign for that side of the ball.
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Not sure what they view a "highly ranked" but the CB Seldon who they are claiming to be so finished off at the #233 National and #16 CB. He is also currently listed at 5'8 153 pounds......good luck to him going head to head against the current crop of WRs we just brought in.

I've seen multiple DFBIA on goblow proclaiming that the defense will "be just fine" with Seldon and presuming they land Green-Warren (who is the #14 CB in the 247 composite) because 2 mid-lower 4 star CBs makes up for their lack of everything else on defense.........

Relying on having to beef up 3* DEs to play DT is going to continue to get them killed against anyone with any kind of force in the trenches
 
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