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ttun Shenanigans and Arguments (2018 thread)

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ScriptOhio said:
Yeah and they got to go to Italy, Harbaugh hs some selfies of himself to prove it:

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What a fucking jackass.

Does he have an open soda can in his back pocket? Jesus.
 
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I don't know about all you "youngin's", but I'm enjoying the fuck out of the biological waste fire that has been Michigan since around the 2008 timeframe. Of course, I enjoyed The Senator kick LLLLLyod's ass six our of seven years, but at least Carr had Michigan as a respectable to even very good team nearly every year, so seeing the fucktards up north step all over the dicks every year brings me nothing but pure joy.
 
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NFBuck said:
Couple interesting tidbits from the Harbrau Ministry of Excuses...

scUM's Offensive Tackle situation is so dire, they're pinning their hopes to an grad transfer from Rice. Will face stiff competition from Texas, as they are also in need of help there and he grew up in Austin.

http://mgoblog.com/content/well-heres-probably-fruitless-pursuit-grad-transfer-ot

Also, they appear to moving on to their third TE coach in as many seasons, as they have poached Sherrone Brown from CMU. If you're asking "who?", you're not alone.

http://mgoblog.com/content/sherrone-moore-join-michigan-staff

There are numerous issues with that program, but IMO, three are really preventing them from making the leap they so desperately crave:

1) Recruiting- This year's class is middling at best. Even their more highly-rated 2016 and 2017 classes were more a case of quantity over quality. Harbrau simply has not given the bump they all deemed inevitable. Sure, he's landed the occasional big timer (Gary, DPJ, Soloman), but for the most part, he has landed a crap load of low 4* and 3* kids. They continue to fall further and further behind tOSU, talent-wise, and are also falling behind the pedtards. They need to be pulling in a lot more talent than they have been if they want to get over the third place hump. Their inability to do so has led them to lean heavily on the grad-transfer market (see above). Grad transfers are typically stop-gap players to fill a hole. They're not guys that you lean on.

2) Assistant Coaches- They really need a serious upgrade to their offensive staff and philosophy. Their offense is stuck in the stone age. It looks like there will be a shakeup to their staff, but who do they get? Dan Enos, a guy who is a carbon copy of what they have now, and not what anybody would call "dynamic." Oh, and Central Michigan's TE Coach/Recruiting Coordinator. They need a Tom Herman or a Joe Moorhead, but they're not even trying.

3) QBs- Year four coming up, and the "QB Whisperer" has done nothing to justify that reputation. Now, they're pinning their hopes, in what will be a critical season for tha Harbrau, on a transfer from Ole Miss...based on the assumption he will be cleared to play. Looking at his career at Ole Miss, there's nothing that says he's a slam dunk. He was "meh" as a frosh, and though his numbers look decent last year, he was pretty mediocre against any defense with a pulse. Plus, there's a pretty strong likelihood he would be operating behind a questionable OL, particularly the tackles...they're in dire straits there. If Patterson isn't cleared this year, it's Peters, who did nothing to indicate he was the "Andrew Luck v2.0" mgoblog would have you believe he was going to be going into last season, or Dylan McCaffrey, a kid who was quite highly rated when he committed, but saw his rankings drop as a Senior...never a good sign.
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Lower rated players can develop into great players.......recruiting rankings arent the be all and end all, but they are generally somewhat accurate. You aren't going to win national championships when you struggle to or outright fail to land any top 100 players (which is where scUM is headed in this class.

That's why it's hilarious to see some still boasting "HES A HARBAUGH GUY!" as some kind of "victory" when they whiff on higher rated players and have to reach for lower rated guys as result.

They are quite a step behind the real big boys in recruiting (Indeed even State Penn is running away from them), and that gap is not closing anytime soon unless something drastic changes in the near future, This years class is on par with the likes of Sparty and Maryland, kids clearly arent buying into Hairballs gimmick.

If I was a highly rated QB recruit I sure as hell wouldn't want to go to scUM, since Jimbo has proven hes very liable to just bring in a grad transfer and stick him in there.
 
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NFBuck said:
If Patterson isn't cleared this year, it's Peters, who did nothing to indicate he was the "Andrew Luck v2.0" mgoblog would have you believe he was going to be going into last season, or Dylan McCaffrey, a kid who was quite highly rated when he committed, but saw his rankings drop as a Senior...never a good sign.
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Dylan McCaffrey? The kid who was behind Speight, O'Korn and Peters? That one? :slappy:
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
Lower rated players can develop into great players.......recruiting rankings arent the be all and end all, but they are generally somewhat accurate. You aren't going to win national championships when you struggle to or outright fail to land any top 100 players (which is where scUM is headed in this class.
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Oh, they absolutely are not the be-all-end-all. You can put together a nice program with the right kids and some solid coaching. Dantonio proves that almost every year, as does Wisconsin. But, if you want to compete for NATIONAL titles, which I'm pretty sure is what the DFBIA wants, you have to recruit a whole lot better. Yes, Sparty made the playoffs in 2015, but when they got there, that talent disadvantage was exposed in brutal fashion. And for as successful as Wiscy has been the past decade, they've never been a realistic NC contender. The one year they appeared to have a real shot (this year), they were simply out-talented by a tOSU team that was TRYING to give them the damn game in Indianapolis. If you want to run with the elites, you have to load up on those top-100 kids, because the hit-rate is simply better. Trying to build your team on a bunch of "harbrau-guys", whatever the fuck that actually means, is not a blue-print for the kind of success they think they should have. Hell, even when he was at Stanford, he didn't become this coaching myth until he got a generational 5*, can't miss QB like Andrew Luck.
 
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NFBuck said:
Oh, they absolutely are not the be-all-end-all. You can put together a nice program with the right kids and some solid coaching. Dantonio proves that almost every year, as does Wisconsin. But, if you want to compete for NATIONAL titles, which I'm pretty sure is what the DFBIA wants, you have to recruit a whole lot better. Yes, Sparty made the playoffs in 2015, but when they got there, that talent disadvantage was exposed in brutal fashion. And for as successful as Wiscy has been the past decade, they've never been a realistic NC contender. The one year they appeared to have a real shot (this year), they were simply out-talented by a tOSU team that was TRYING to give them the damn game in Indianapolis. If you want to run with the elites, you have to load up on those top-100 kids, because the hit-rate is simply better. Trying to build your team on a bunch of "harbrau-guys", whatever the fuck that actually means, is not a blue-print for the kind of success they think they should have. Hell, even when he was at Stanford, he didn't become this coaching myth until he got a generational 5*, can't miss QB like Andrew Luck.
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That Myth is based around 1 year basically......where he of course failed to win the Pac 10 by getting ran over by the best team he faced all year in Oregon. Looking closer I forgot that the Pac 10 was absolutely trash that year outside of Oregon and Stanford, a mediocre at best 8-5 USC team was the "3rd best" team in the conference that year.

Basically he can win the games hes supposed to, most of the time....but struggles heavily in tossups and in games where they are underdogs. That's the sign of a simply "meh" coach and not a great one.
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
That Myth is based around 1 year basically......where he of course failed to win the Pac 10 by getting ran over by the best team he faced all year in Oregon. Looking closer I forgot that the Pac 10 was absolutely trash that year outside of Oregon and Stanford, a mediocre at best 8-5 USC team was the "3rd best" team in the conference that year.

Basically he can win the games hes supposed to, most of the time....but struggles heavily in tossups and in games where they are underdogs. That's the sign of a simply "meh" coach and not a great one.
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A lot of that myth is based on turning around the Niners, as well. Fact of the matter is the Niners actually had a pretty stacked roster that he inherited, they just suffered from a run of incompetent coaches. To his credit, he actually got the results, but ti's not like he walked into a shitty situation. And as a Niners fan, I can tell you his big-game woes aren't limited to college. His team's performance in the SB was an embarrassment for the first 2.5 quarters, and it didn't get close until Baltimore let off the gas, and they mounted a furious, ultimately futile comeback when the pressure was off. When the pressure was turned back on at the end of the game, they had a mind-numbing sequence, calling three straight passes from the goalline when they had one of the best RBs and OLs in the game. Also look at his record against Seattle. He routinely peed down his leg against Pete Carroll and the Seahawks.

Simply put, he is a ridiculously overrated coach. If he didn't act like such a jackass, nobody would be talking about him.
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
That Myth is based around 1 year basically......where he of course failed to win the Pac 10 by getting ran over by the best team he faced all year in Oregon. Looking closer I forgot that the Pac 10 was absolutely trash that year outside of Oregon and Stanford, a mediocre at best 8-5 USC team was the "3rd best" team in the conference that year.

Basically he can win the games hes supposed to, most of the time....but struggles heavily in tossups and in games where they are underdogs. That's the sign of a simply "meh" coach and not a great one.
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He also got a ton of mileage out of those 2 USC wins
 
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OregonBuckeye said:
He also got a ton of mileage out of those 2 USC wins
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Ill give credit for the first one.

He actually beat USC 3 times.....The other 2 were nothing to really write home about. 2nd time they were about equal averageish teams, Stanford 8-5/USC 9-4 (Both finished the regular season 8-4) and the 3rd time Stanford was by far the better team.

That upset of USC in 2007 remains his biggest college win, which is kind of sad considering other than the novelty of the upset factor, it was largely meaningless considering Stanford's overall record.
 
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NFBuck said:
Couple interesting tidbits from the Harbrau Ministry of Excuses...

scUM's Offensive Tackle situation is so dire, they're pinning their hopes to an grad transfer from Rice. Will face stiff competition from Texas, as they are also in need of help there and he grew up in Austin.

http://mgoblog.com/content/well-heres-probably-fruitless-pursuit-grad-transfer-ot

Also, they appear to moving on to their third TE coach in as many seasons, as they have poached Sherrone Brown from CMU. If you're asking "who?", you're not alone.

http://mgoblog.com/content/sherrone-moore-join-michigan-staff

There are numerous issues with that program, but IMO, three are really preventing them from making the leap they so desperately crave:

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3) QBs- Year four coming up, and the "QB Whisperer" has done nothing to justify that reputation. Now, they're pinning their hopes, in what will be a critical season for tha Harbrau, on a transfer from Ole Miss...based on the assumption he will be cleared to play. Looking at his career at Ole Miss, there's nothing that says he's a slam dunk. He was "meh" as a frosh, and though his numbers look decent last year, he was pretty mediocre against any defense with a pulse. Plus, there's a pretty strong likelihood he would be operating behind a questionable OL, particularly the tackles...they're in dire straits there. If Patterson isn't cleared this year, it's Peters, who did nothing to indicate he was the "Andrew Luck v2.0" mgoblog would have you believe he was going to be going into last season, or Dylan McCaffrey, a kid who was quite highly rated when he committed, but saw his rankings drop as a Senior...never a good sign.
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Here, have some blue kool-aid.

Michigan Football: Don’t Count out Dylan McCaffrey in QB battle


The truth is talent wise, the Wolverines are loaded at quarterback. Shea Patterson, who is transferring from Ole Miss, is a five star and the top-ranked passer in 2016. Brandon Peters was a four-star in 2016, as was Dylan McCaffrey in 2017 and Joe Milton this year. That’s four big-time talents for Michigan football, now they just need to be sorted out on the depth chart.

https://gbmwolverine.com/2017/12/13/michigan-football-dont-count-dylan-mccaffrey/
 
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