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ttun Shenanigans and Arguments (2018 thread)

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Jaxbuck said:
Those fucktards claim an AP NC in 1997 by the way: https://bentley.umich.edu/athdept/football/misc/natchamp.htm

CFB data warehouse gives it to them as well: http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/national_championships/nchamps_team_results.php?teamid=1977

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Note:
  • We just celebrated another "century season" for them. The 1918 NC is now over 100 years old.
  • Five years to go for the next one. Pressure is on, Jimmy.
  • 8 of the 10.5 NC's were handed out retroactively
  • 5 of the 10.5 are over 100 years old
  • The most recent full NC is 70 years old


1/2 a NC in the past 70 years :lol:
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Blue blood.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
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annnd there it is. Ottoman Empire smack talk
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Yes. Some programs were so dominant 100 years ago, they were told to fuck off by the other members of the Western Conference because they were tainted by professionalism...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_A._Baird

1905 season: Allegations of professionalism[edit]
The 1905 season began with Michigan on top of the football world, having completed four consecutive undefeated seasons. In early 1905, Baird wrote an article for the Illustrated Sporting News commenting on the differences between low-scoring Eastern football and high-scoring Western football. Baird commented on differences in coaching and on the Western teams' focus on speed and continuous development of multiple formations, alternating line plays with end runs, introducing the element of uncertainty and inspiring the spectator.[51]

Michigan continued its "point-a-minute" offense, outscored opponents 495–2, and finished the season 12–1.[52]

However, the 1905 season also found Baird and Yost mired in scandal. In the week before the Western Conference championship game against Chicago, Stanford University President David Starr Jordan, wrote a feature article in Collier's making allegations of "professionalism" at Michigan.[53] Yost was described as the "czar of Michigan's system" and Baird as the "business man of Michigan athletics and silent partner in the firm of Yost & Baird, victory-makers."[53] Jordan accused Yost of traveling across the country "soliciting expert players" who were not true student athletes. Baird was also accused of traveling much and "practically proselyting for athletes."[53] While some accounts noted that Jordan "does not come forward with any direct evidence against the Michigan athletes,"[54] the story was printed in newspapers across the country. Even President Theodore Roosevelt spoke at the time calling for a "gentleman's agreement" among American colleges and universities providing for the removal of any player who engaged in brutality or foul play and of the player who is not a bona fide student and amateur.[54]

Baird responded to Jordan's allegations by calling them "the merest bosh" and by denying there were any inducements or special favors for athletes.[54] He later noted: "President Jordan has made these charges several times, and never brought forth one iota of proof to establish his claim."[55] Former Michigan player and then Drake coach, Willie Heston, one of the players named as a professional in Jordan's article, responded: "I was in a position to know what was going on and I believe that I am safe in saying that no Michigan athlete ever did anything since Baird took hold of things there."[56]

One week after Jordan's article was published, Michigan's four-year unbeaten streak ended in the last game of the season, a 2–0 loss to rival Chicago.[52]

1906 season and withdrawal from the Western Conference[edit]
Lingering concerns about professionalism and the integrity of amateur athletics led Michigan's president, James Burrill Angell, to call for a special conference of Western Conference faculty in January 1906. The committee condemned the "money end" of football and resolved that university faculty should have charge of gate receipts.[57] The Angell Committee also voted in March 1906 to prohibit summer training, to eliminate professional coaches and the "training table," and to limit the admission price to college athletic events to a maximum of fifty cents.[58]

One of the most drastic reforms enacted in 1906 restricted conference schools to five football games per year. Accordingly, and despite playing 13 regular season games in 1905, Michigan was permitted to play only five games in 1906. Michigan finished 4–1 in 1905, losing the final game of the season to the University of Pennsylvania.[59] The Pennsylvania game was negotiated by Baird and played in Philadelphia before 26,000 spectators—setting a new record for the highest attendance at a Michigan football game.[59]

Dissatisfied with Michigan's treatment by the Western Conference, Baird wrote to the Intercollegiate Athletic Association in December 1906 asking Michigan's admission to the eastern conference for the next athletic season.[60][61]

In January 1907, a "close friend" of Baird told the press that Baird found the Western Conference's new restrictions to be unacceptable and warned that Baird would resign unless the conference loosened up on the rules.[62] Nevertheless, a proposal to extend the football schedule to seven games and to eliminate the harsh effects of applying the three-year rule retroactively was rejected.[63] One of the most troubling rules going into effect in 1907 limited eligibility to three years. The rule was applied retroactively so that many of the conference's best players, including Michigan's captain Germany Schulz, would be ineligible to play as seniors even though they had played as freshman when such play was within the rules.[64] Six of the University's eight regents favored withdrawal, and Regent Arthur Hill noted, "We have to beat Pennsylvania, and we cannot do it under conference rules."[65]
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Dryden said:
Yes. Some programs were so dominant 100 years ago, they were told to fuck off by the other members of the Western Conference because they were tainted by professionalism...
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which is deliciously ironic given the last 3 pages of that estrogen laden whine-fest thread are the usual "holier than thou-we are too clean to get 5 star players" type of rationalization we have come to know and love from them over the years.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
which is deliciously ironic given the last 3 pages of that estrogen laden whine-fest thread are the usual "holier than thou-we are too clean to get 5 star players" type of rationalization we have come to know and love from them over the years.
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Yup. Anyone who knows their college football history knows Yost's Michigan teams were the barnstorming Harlem Globetrotters of the 190x's, looking far and wide for 15 Washington Generals to play every single year, until the Western Conference and true academicians like Stanford's provost told them to pound fucking bricks and play on the same playing field as everbody else.

Michigan's claim to greatness is the auto industry in Detroit and what that brought in migrant families. That's it. Look at their history... the Industrial Revolution, WWI, WWII, and jack fucking shit since.
 
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