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ttun Shenanigans and Arguments (2015 official thread)

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sflbuck said:
Harbaugh called a time out before the last play, yet somehow the "Greatest Coach of All Time" did not think to call or maybe did not even think to have a max punt protection scheme. This was a big mistake by the "Greatest Coach of All Time". And if we can believe what the "Greatest Coach of All Time" said at his post game presser, the last thing he told his punter is that all he had to do was catch and punt the ball, which was another classic psychological mistake. He put failure into his punters head right right before the biggest kick this kid will ever attempt. If on the other hand the "Greatest Coach of All Time" had said "just catch and kick the ball, but if you get a bad snap just fall on the ball", the Michigan punter would have had a something third thought to move to instead of shear panic.

There is one and only one person responsible for this loss and that person is not the Michigan punter or the refs.
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Give Jimmy a break.

Maybe you are supposed to just flip the fuck out and throw the ball in the air after you drop it down in Australia?

I can cut the guy some slack on not being up on sports specific societal norms in other countries.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
I wasn't watching at the end so walk me through it.

scUM calls a TO with 10 seconds left at the MSU 47 right? I'm assuming MSU is out of TO's?

If so you call a run to get 1 yard, if you get it game over. If you don't get it they get the ball back on their side of the 50 with time for 1 play. To my way of thinking there is less risk handing off than trying to get a punt off against an all out 11 man rush. Fewer moving parts and all. I can see both calls but not sending 4 guys down field to cover a punt return that was never going to happen one way or another.

All in all you are going to run a lot of that 10 seconds off with the run play and you have the upside of getting your one yard. Downside is you let them get their Hail Mary from midfield if you don't get it.
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They would have been around Michigan's 40 if they didn't gain a yard. I know a 57 yard FG is anything but easy...but it's hard to justify giving MSU the shot without the benefit of knowing exactly what happened.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
They would have been around Michigan's 40 if they didn't gain a yard. I know a 57 yard FG is anything but easy...but it's hard to justify giving MSU the shot without the benefit of knowing exactly what happened.
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ok

The game log I looked at said it was at the MSU 47, so if it was that deep then yeah but if you are other side of the 50 then I still say you run for the yard.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Nope you were right. The 40 is where the ball would have been if the punter just fell on it like he should have.
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So if I'm the coach we spend as much of 10 seconds as we can trying to get that yard. If we get it, game over, if we don't then enjoy your 50+ yard Hail Mary Mr Opponent.

reward > risk
 
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...to-michigan-punter-prepare-for-dark-low-place

Boise State kicker to Michigan punter: Prepare for 'dark, dark low place'
October 19, 2015 1:24 am ET

It's five years later and Kyle Brotzman still hasn't healed. Watching a replay of Michigan State-Michigan Saturday night didn't help.

“He's going to be struggling for the next couple of years,” Brotzman said of Michigan punter Blake O'Neill. “I went through hell for a couple of years.”

The former Boise State kicker came home from work Saturday night, flipped on his DVR and watched a replay of the Bobble At The Big House. Whatever you want to call it, he was drawn to O'Neill's mis-play of a snap that led to Michigan State's winning touchdown.

Five years ago, Brotzman missed two easy field goals at Nevada, wrecking the Broncos' chance for a BCS berth -- perhaps even a national championship.

Cont'd ...
 
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My fav (so far):

(Reply to #2813)
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#2816
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Sparty didn't win the game We


Sparty didn't win the game

We didn't lose the game

That was the worst officiated game I have seen, it was almost like the had Sparty alums reffing

If everybody is laughing except you, well, now you know what they are laughing at.
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Yeah, MSU didn't almost double you up in yards, scUM definitely lost it.
Then they go all Ped State with the referees. :shake:

But his sig is ironically hilarious.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
So if I'm the coach we spend as much of 10 seconds as we can trying to get that yard. If we get it, game over, if we don't then enjoy your 50+ yard Hail Mary Mr Opponent.

reward > risk
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Yea. They were at the Msu 47. They could have run a ten second play, and even so there is only time left for 1 Hail Mary. If you line up and see them going after the punt and youre not in max protect you take the 5 yards and get your max guys out there. Eve of that wasn't bobbled he wasn't going to get it off.
 
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TampaBuckeyes said:
Yea. They were at the Msu 47. They could have run a ten second play, and even so there is only time left for 1 Hail Mary. If you line up and see them going after the punt and youre not in max protect you take the 5 yards and get your max guys out there. Eve of that wasn't bobbled he wasn't going to get it off.
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Yep

I don't think deciding to punt was an egregious decision, I think trying to block 11 with 6 was.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Even better...Michigan sent 4 players to cover the punt. FOUR. On a punt that Michigan State wasn't fielding.

Four.
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Jaxbuck said:
I wasn't watching at the end so walk me through it.

scUM calls a TO with 10 seconds left at the MSU 47 right? I'm assuming MSU is out of TO's?

If so you call a run to get 1 yard, if you get it game over. If you don't get it they get the ball back on their side of the 50 with time for 1 play. To my way of thinking there is less risk handing off than trying to get a punt off against an all out 11 man rush. Fewer moving parts and all. I can see both calls but not sending 4 guys down field to cover a punt return that was never going to happen one way or another.

All in all you are going to run a lot of that 10 seconds off with the run play and you have the upside of getting your one yard. Downside is you let them get their Hail Mary from midfield if you don't get it.
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It was 4th and 2, and they couldn't run the ball all game. Maybe the best play call was Ruddock in shotgun and pooch it. But I don't go for it. The way I look at it is if they go for it and don't get it, MSU has a 45 yard Hail Mary attempt, which may have a 5% chance of success. If they even get a 20 yard punt with Ruddock, you can't do a Hail Mary and need to do a multi-lateral play. That may have a 0.05% chance.
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
It was 4th and 2, and they couldn't run the ball all game. Maybe the best play call was Ruddock in shotgun and pooch it. But I don't go for it. The way I look at it is if they go for it and don't get it, MSU has a 45 yard Hail Mary attempt, which may have a 5% chance of success. If they even get a 20 yard punt with Ruddock, you can't do a Hail Mary and need to do a multi-lateral play. That may have a 0.05% chance.
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There aren't any college specific stats I know of tracking hail mary % but here is one for the NFL: http://archive.advancedfootballanalytics.com/2012/09/hail-mary-probabilities.html

50+ yards is essentially 0% chance

anyway, its a debatable point either way. The real fuck up was being in anything less than max protect if you did decide to punt.

As others have noted, that thing was getting blocked if he doesn't drop it.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
There aren't any college specific stats I know of tracking hail mary % but here is one for the NFL: http://archive.advancedfootballanalytics.com/2012/09/hail-mary-probabilities.html

50+ yards is essentially 0% chance

anyway, its a debatable point either way. The real fuck up was being in anything less than max protect if you did decide to punt.

As others have noted, that thing was getting blocked if he doesn't drop it.
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Which is absurd to me. I was watching on my phone while eating dinner, and I heard them say MSU had nobody back to catch the punt. I thought about how stupid that was, because they know you're trying to block it here....there's no way they're going to allow that to happen.

Oh.....apparently there is a way. by using 6 people to block 10 (one MSU player didn't rush for some reason).
 
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