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ttun News (2016 version)

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jwinslow said:
George Hill. It was amicable but definitely pulled. The key was ongoing communication to avoid a Swensen situation.

2016 Decommits: Wallace, Walker, Hall
2016 Pulled offers: Hill

Mirko Jurkovic, Taivon Jacobs (pulled), Johnny Townsend (grayshirt) and Josh Moore (pulled) come to mind in past classes. OSU has done it, just at a much lower rate. In the current climate, only Jurkovic really bothered me, assuming Townsend knew of that possibility ahead of time (he didn't express any frustration). Jacobs, Moore and Hill were big boy football where the hard conversation took place before they enrolled with enough time to land elsewhere. I don't like it but I understand it.
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Thanks. I've bolded what I feel are key points you brought out, which pretty much puts the kibosh on any arguments of "Well, Ohio State does it, too!!!111!!"
 
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jwinslow said:
George Hill. It was amicable but definitely pulled. The key was ongoing communication to avoid a Swensen situation.

2016 Decommits: Wallace, Walker, Hall
2016 Pulled offers: Hill

Mirko Jurkovic, Taivon Jacobs (pulled), Johnny Townsend (grayshirt) and Josh Moore (pulled) come to mind in past classes. OSU has done it, just at a much lower rate. In the current climate, only Jurkovic really bothered me, assuming Townsend knew of that possibility ahead of time (he didn't express any frustration). Jacobs, Moore and Hill were big boy football where the hard conversation took place before they enrolled with enough time to land elsewhere. I don't like it but I understand it.
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I know we've done it in other years... but Wallace and Hill were position changes. We were looking at Hill on Offense, he wanted to play D. Articles at the time seemed to insinuate we instigated with Antonio Williams -- but we know Williams was replacing Walker, not Hill. We were looking at Wallace for QB, he decided to be a skill position. Hall didn't like the number of DEs coming in and opted for Bama. Walker shot himself in the foot.
All 4 were blue chip recruits... I'm not sure how it compares to taking on 2 and 3 star guys just to dump them in December and January.
Finally, they all found quality landing spots -- and had ample time to find them. With the exception of Walker, they all announced their decommitment on their own terms. No "they just stopped calling and next I knew, I wasn't on the team" bs. At least on the surface, Walker seems to be the only one that was "pulled"... and he manufactured that situation himself.
 
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kujirakira said:
I know we've done it in other years... but Wallace and Hill were position changes. We were looking at Hill on Offense, he wanted to play D. Articles at the time seemed to insinuate we instigated with Antonio Williams -- but we know Williams was replacing Walker, not Hill. We were looking at Wallace for QB, he decided to be a skill position. Hall didn't like the number of DEs coming in and opted for Bama. Walker shot himself in the foot.
All 4 were blue chip recruits... I'm not sure how it compares to taking on 2 and 3 star guys just to dump them in December and January.
Finally, they all found quality landing spots -- and had ample time to find them. With the exception of Walker, they all announced their decommitment on their own terms. No "they just stopped calling and next I knew, I wasn't on the team" bs. At least on the surface, Walker seems to be the only one that was "pulled"... and he manufactured that situation himself.
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Like I said, in the land of big business, I don't take issue with the other situations (even if I don't prefer them). Mirko seemed a bit iffy but he was told he wasn't admitted. If that's true, then it's legitimate. If not, then it's one kid who was dumped last minute across five classes.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
So, committing a violation 10 times is no worse than committing that violation only once?


Pretty simple, actually. He likes pointing out his high class ratings. Michigan's class was close to ours leading up to NLOID because they had 3-4 more commits...it was quantity, not quality, that had them that high. The smaller-level recruits provided a place-filler in case they struck out on the subsequent bigger fish. And when they felt they were indeed going to get a bigger fish, they kicked the smaller-level recruit to the curb.


He'll take Plan B when Plan A isn't working out...everyone does that. But when Plan A suddenly becomes available later, then Plan B get [Mark May]-canned regardless of how short-notice it is.
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In these case, it's not because it is not illegal. It doesn't matter if you commit 10 or 1. The label doesn't change. It doesn't matter if you murder one person or 5 people. You are still labeled as a murderer. Now if the practice was illegal then you should be penalized more for the number of violations and just stack the charges. The label doesn't change.

I doubt Harbaugh cares too much about recruiting rankings. He,like most coaches, are going to find the best players to fit their system. I know he will take plan b when plan a isn't working out. He was getting the better recruits toward the end of the recruiting cycle. If you aren't getting plan a, then go after plan b. Don't take Plan B, then when Plan A comes along, drop Plan B. That's just my opinion though. However, Harbaugh knows more than me so oh well.
 
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zwem said:
In these case, it's not because it is not illegal. It doesn't matter if you commit 10 or 1. The label doesn't change. It doesn't matter if you murder one person or 5 people. You are still labeled as a murderer. Now if the practice was illegal then you should be penalized more for the number of violations and just stack the charges. The label doesn't change.
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Even for a Michigan fan, you cannot possibly be that stupid...
 
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If HarLbaugh only sleeps over at one kids house, then he is probably just really *friendly.* If he sleeps over at three or more kids houses, then he is a serial Sandusky.

One down...
 
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LostLassie said:
Not to get picky, but with one it might be manslaughter, and after three, you are labeled a serial killer.

Or, in Hardball's case, a serial de-committer?
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Not talking charges, I'm speaking of the definition. I should have added premeditated or intentionally killing somebody. That's what confused everybody.
 
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kujirakira said:
No, that's definitely not what "confused" everybody.
It's an incredibly stupid argument.
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I'm not even trying to argue. Maybe I used a poor example, but the whole thing was just dropping recruits. Harbaugh does it more at a rapid rate than anybody. It's legal, but I still don't like it and it's something that I have to get used to. Harbaugh is the #1 bad guy right now. I guess the schools that only pull 2-3 (or more) offers from kids in a cycle can be critical of Harbaugh who pulls more offers. That's fine by me.
 
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