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Agreed. We beat their ass (and Harbaugh's) by 4+ TDs on their home field in November, then they beat some also-ran SEC team in a low-tier bowl game that no one cares about.
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Agreed. We beat their ass (and Harbaugh's) by 4+ TDs on their home field in November, then they beat some also-ran SEC team in a low-tier bowl game that no one cares about.
ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Woody's birthday = Valentine's Day
Bo's birthday = April Fool's Day
Very appropriate.....
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Have to agree. As you stated earlier, we are not as crazy about spring ball like Alabama, OSU, etc. Having the spring game at night won't increase the attendance. Maybe by a small fraction, but it won't be drastic. I'm all for changes though. If Harbaugh wants to throw in new wrinkles and ideas, that's a good thing. I can't fault anybody by taking risks. It is even better while he is pissing everybody off outside of the Michigan family. The Harbaugh giveth no fucks.
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I really hate this line of thinking. I think I first associated it with Notre Dame fan. They think if people are getting pissed off and hating you, you're doing something right.....like winning. It's like me hating the Yankees. I hate the Yankees.....as most good Americans should. The reason I hate them is because of how their fans think they're better people because their favorite team is better than your favorite team. No matter the sport or level, the Yankees are better than whoever it is you like. So I hate them because of their fans, but tangentially because they win.
So then idiot Notre Dame fan comes along and realizes people stopped caring about them, because they stopped winning. How can they fix this? Get people to hate them by being fucking obnoxious as hell. Because if people are hating you, it has to be because your team is good and not because you're being a dickhead; or because you're clearly hiring coaches and parents of recruits in a way to "legally" buy them; or because you're pretending you just want to have a nice field trip for your players when what you really want to do is put up a huge billboard for your team at one of the countries most elite football programs for a week straight.
You know....hypothetically of course.
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Well, we come from different ways of thinking which there is nothing wrong with that. I'm going to do what I want (legally of course) and say what I mean. If it pisses somebody off or offends anybody, then so be it. So I can relate to this guy in that regard even though he seems to be "off." Harbaugh is the type of guy where there could be 12 people in a room and be the only 1 to not agree with a decision because he isn't afraid to take a chance or go with the flow because he may have a better idea. I can also relate to somebody that is not afraid to fail.
Now let's get to pissing people off. It's not about doing something right (I can only speak for myself). It's about laughing at other people for getting worked up over the smallest shit. Maybe it's because it takes a lot to impress me. Maybe I have thick skin and don't make a big deal out of things when I should. Anyways.........OMG....this bastard is holding sat camps in the South (legal of course)! That Harbaugh is going to the IMG Academy for a week of spring practice in Florida!! That's not fair (legal of course)!!!!!!!This guy is hiring high school coaches, the NCAA should investigate (legal.....of course). He is having a signing of the stars and bringing in famous people.......how can that be fair!?!!?!?! WTF is going on!???!!! The only thing I have questioned is the Swenson situation which was a bs move. Of course, there may be more behind the scenes, but on paper that was a bitch move on the Michigan staff. Other than that, it's just been minor shit to me. It's the same with USC, Alabama, Kentucky basketball, or even you guys. Who gives a flying fuck what teams do if it's legal? Then again it takes a lot to piss me off, so maybe that's why I can't relate to people that get worked up easily. Wake me up when he does something that is against the rules or just over the top illegal. Until then, Harbaugh can continue to be "different" and come up with crazy ideas for all I care. The dude does not give a fuck how other teams, coaches, fanbases, or what media thinks of him. If that pisses people off, then so be it.
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It's not legal to give money or jobs in exchange for influencing a recruit. It's simply impossible to prove that they hired Bush (or partridge or the al coach) to help secure kids to sign with Michigan and the already weak ncaa is borderline powerless these days in the era of autonomy. It's just interesting watching Michigan fans not only embrace the underbelly of recruiting but somehow still claim it's above board. That part is more from other fans than yourself. It's definitely a common practice in the gray, murky area of the NCAA. I seriously doubt Michigan would face any sanctions for this sort of thing, so I guess that fits some definition of legal, kind of like dumping recruits or helping scholarship players out the door.
The Swenson thing happened ten times to verbals in his class but no one noticed the others because that one had juicy quotes. It's already started happening with the lousy verbals they took for 2017. The real irony of the swensen scandal is that was a very justifiable pulled offer, like DeWeaver, as neither were harbaugh offers. It just happened outrageously late and with junior high dating communication techniques. There were multiple other players dropped that week who were offered by Harbaugh for little reason other than to be class ranking inflating seat fillers until more respectable recruits could be secured.
Now OSU has backed out of verbal commitments on multiple occasions, so there's no moral high ground here, but the volume at which harbaugh is doing it is staggering. That's my main takeaway. Both of our fanbases used to adore our soapboxes on oversigning, medicals, trimming verbals and rosters and general murky gray recruiting practices (like employing a father in exchange for a recruit or using a religious vision to secure a defensive tackle). Now that our teams employ top coaches that engage in many of those tactics, we've largely condoned if not accepted them. It just seems odd to see UM fans making that giant switch while also preserving their high horse steed. We're largely all hypocrites at this point, it's just that your brethren haven't really dealt with that fully
The Swenson thing happened ten times to verbals in his class but no one noticed the others because that one had juicy quotes. It's already started happening with the lousy verbals they took for 2017. The real irony of the swensen scandal is that was a very justifiable pulled offer, like DeWeaver, as neither were harbaugh offers. It just happened outrageously late and with junior high dating communication techniques. There were multiple other players dropped that week who were offered by Harbaugh for little reason other than to be class ranking inflating seat fillers until more respectable recruits could be secured.
Now OSU has backed out of verbal commitments on multiple occasions, so there's no moral high ground here, but the volume at which harbaugh is doing it is staggering. That's my main takeaway. Both of our fanbases used to adore our soapboxes on oversigning, medicals, trimming verbals and rosters and general murky gray recruiting practices (like employing a father in exchange for a recruit or using a religious vision to secure a defensive tackle). Now that our teams employ top coaches that engage in many of those tactics, we've largely condoned if not accepted them. It just seems odd to see UM fans making that giant switch while also preserving their high horse steed. We're largely all hypocrites at this point, it's just that your brethren haven't really dealt with that fully
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It's not legal to give money or jobs in exchange for influencing a recruit. It's simply impossible to prove that they hired Bush (or partridge or the al coach) to help secure kids to sign with Michigan and the already weak ncaa is borderline powerless these days in the era of autonomy. It's just interesting watching Michigan fans not only embrace the underbelly of recruiting but somehow still claim it's above board. That part is more from other fans than yourself. It's definitely a common practice in the gray, murky area of the NCAA. I seriously doubt Michigan would face any sanctions for this sort of thing, so I guess that fits some definition of legal, kind of like dumping recruits or helping scholarship players out the door.
The Swenson thing happened ten times to verbals in his class but no one noticed the others because that one had juicy quotes. It's already started happening with the lousy verbals they took for 2017. The real irony of the swensen scandal is that was a very justifiable pulled offer, like DeWeaver, as neither were harbaugh offers. It just happened outrageously late and with junior high dating communication techniques. There were multiple other players dropped that week who were offered by Harbaugh for little reason other than to be class ranking inflating seat fillers until more respectable recruits could be secured.
Now OSU has backed out of verbal commitments on multiple occasions, so there's no moral high ground here, but the volume at which harbaugh is doing it is staggering. That's my main takeaway. Both of our fanbases used to adore our soapboxes on oversigning, medicals, trimming verbals and rosters and general murky gray recruiting practices (like employing a father in exchange for a recruit or using a religious vision to secure a defensive tackle). Now that our teams employ top coaches that engage in many of those tactics, we've largely condoned if not accepted them. It just seems odd to see UM fans making that giant switch while also preserving their high horse steed. We're largely all hypocrites at this point, it's just that your brethren haven't really dealt with that fully
The volume is staggering. However, what difference does it make if it's 1 recruit or 10 recruits? It's still the same practice. I don't understand why Harbaugh would accept verbals from small level recruits and then dump them when Michigan accepts higher rated guys. It seems that he goes from Plan B to Plan A instead of vice versa. He is the running the show though and has to do what's best for the program I guess. I don't have problem with it under one condition. The coaching staff lets the kids know that the offer may not be there in the future. The coaches should communicate to the kids that they need to continue to look around at other schools. It's one thing to promise an offer to a kid then take it from him. They key word....."promise." That's the real world we live in.The common fan also does not know what goes on behind the doors when it comes to recruiting. People on the outside only see what's on paper then twist it to fit their narrative. This happens at all schools.
You should have seen the firestorm of a thread regarding Swenson on The Fort at rivals. That was an ugly and brutal thread with opinions from all over the spectrum. I agree in terms of largely being hypocrites. It happens everywhere. We are dealing with it while trying to adapt to the changes that Harbaugh is bringing. The dude is going to push it to where it's borderline legal. Have at it coach Harbaugh. If any other coach in the country wants to push it to the edge, have at it. Big whoop.
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So, committing a violation 10 times is no worse than committing that violation only once?
Pretty simple, actually. He likes pointing out his high class ratings. Michigan's class was close to ours leading up to NLOID because they had 3-4 more commits...it was quantity, not quality, that had them that high. The smaller-level recruits provided a place-filler in case they struck out on the subsequent bigger fish. And when they felt they were indeed going to get a bigger fish, they kicked the smaller-level recruit to the curb.
He'll take Plan B when Plan A isn't working out...everyone does that. But when Plan A suddenly becomes available later, then Plan B get shit-canned regardless of how short-notice it is.
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I can't cobble together a sturdy soapbox when OSU does it 1-3 times a cycle, so I have to pick up some loose scraps to attack him with :p
the problem is the kids who are probable for being dumped cannot play with fire and look around or they will be dumped. Though I guess this year shows that harbaugh gives little consideration to appearances and will dump you either way.
It was not reported in the media but the rumors were overwhelming, to the point where TMI had a running list of a half dozen or so probable cuts, which all occurred except for dytarius.
Urban wanted the b1g to step it up and they definitely did. Msu did just as much as um (relatively speaking of course ) and PSU briefly did until recruits figured out what Franklin is. Even a few bottom feeders stepped it up a bit.
It would be interesting if Harbaugh's penchant for extreme volume leads to a more standardized method of paying recruits in the North (via hiring mentors ) instead of the bagmen in the South that wildly outclass similar efforts by northern schools.
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Not calling you out on this, but from which commit(s) this past class (2016) did we pull offer(s)? Did I miss someone? I know we gave Walker a pseudo-ultimatum but didn't actually pull his offer, right?
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George Hill. It was amicable but definitely pulled. The key was ongoing communication to avoid a Swensen situation.
2016 Decommits: Wallace, Walker, Hall
2016 Pulled offers: Hill
Mirko Jurkovic, Taivon Jacobs (pulled), Johnny Townsend (grayshirt) and Josh Moore (pulled) come to mind in past classes. OSU has done it, just at a much lower rate. In the current climate, only Jurkovic really bothered me, assuming Townsend knew of that possibility ahead of time (he didn't express any frustration). Jacobs, Moore and Hill were big boy football where the hard conversation took place before they enrolled with enough time to land elsewhere. I don't like it but I understand it.
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