Truck=2, Crossing Guard and 8 Year old=0

[BUCKYLE]

I still can't believe you are still trying to justify and validate this prick's actions, as if the crossing guard and everyone else in a car smaller than his should alter their actions to accomodate his reckless negligence.

I'm really not. I think the guy should pay. I just don't think he should be lynched and hung on the town square.

The crossing gaurd shouldn't alter her actions, she should have always been looking before sending kids accross the street, just in case some asshole in a dump truck comes flying through the stop sign. That's why she is there, right?

Finally, my point about the big rigs owning the road is, sure, you can get pissed when one doesn't obey local laws of the road, but what can you do but get the fuck out of the way?

 

[BuckeyeRyn]

we've already determined that we don't have town hall meetings, therefore, how could we possibly have a town square lynching?

Interesting to learn FKA has jets, I wanna see 'em...



As for the topic at hand... this is just a horrible situation...

 

[scooter1369]

I'm really not. I think the guy should pay. I just don't think he should be lynched and hung on the town square.

The crossing gaurd shouldn't alter her actions, she should have always been looking before sending kids accross the street, just in case some asshole in a dump truck comes flying through the stop sign. That's why she is there, right?

Finally, my point about the big rigs owning the road is, sure, you can get pissed when one doesn't obey local laws of the road, but what can you do but get the fuck out of the way?

She didn't walk out in front of this guy and expect him to stop. She had been there in the road for several seconds helping kids cross the street. There were a few stragglers that she stayed out there for. One of those stragglers is still in the hospital.

The driver, had he been doing the speed limit and paying attention, could have easily stopped. Problem is, he wasn't doing the speed limit (in my estimation) and nor was he paying attention (Ms. Sharp was wearing a bright yellow vest and holding a stop sign).

Oddly, schools have a child on "safety patrol" (usually fifth graders) that work these crosswalks with the crossing guards. The child on "safety patrol" was already back to the sidewalk at the time truck went through. Which means they had been out there for nearly 20-30 seconds.

 

[buckiprof]

The crossing gaurd shouldn't alter her actions, she should have always been looking before sending kids accross the street, just in case some asshole in a dump truck comes flying through the stop sign. That's why she is there, right?

Unless crossing guards in Central Ohio operate differently than up here in NE Ohio, their job is to walk out into the crosswalk, with their stop sign held up in one hand to stop traffic, and once the children are across the street, retreat back to the curb and allow traffic to continue. Unless crossing guards in Central Ohio dress differently than up here in NE Ohio, they wear either a bright orange jacket or a bright lime-green jacket. So unless things are done differently, crossing guards don't look before sending kids across the street, as they are out there in the street stopping traffic so the kids can safely cross. Once out there, in a brightly colored jacket mind you, there is no excuse for anyone to fly through the stop sign said crossing guard is holding. That is why she/he is there, to stop the traffic. And you are correct in that the crossing guard should not alter her actions and her duties as a crossing guard. However, since she is now dead as a result of doing her job (even though I doubt that sacrificing one's life is in the job description for a crossing guard), it is really a moot point. EDIT: Thanks to scooter post before mine, I guess things aren't different in Central Ohio for crossing guards than up here in NE Ohio.

 

[OH10]

I realize that it is all too natural to look at the consequence of the action as the rationale for serious punishment. But the action was negligence, or at the worst, recklessness. Someone died and that is sad and tragic. The truck driver will have consequences for his "actions". One of the consequences will be having to live with this for the rest of his life. The other consequence will likely be some jail time.

But this guy isn't going to go to prison ... and he shouldn't. Again, look at the action, and not the consequence. The reason that the action is punishable at all is because we, as a society, understand that the tragic consequences could result.

 

[Gatorubet]

But this guy isn't going to go to prison ... and he shouldn't. Again, look at the action, and not the consequence. The reason that the action is punishable at all is because we, as a society, understand that the tragic consequences could result.

Ehhhhhh...what? Negligent homicide different up there?

 

[OH10]

Ehhhhhh...what? Negligent homicide different up there?

Negligent Vehicular Homicide is a first-degree misdemeanor. Max 180 days in jail.

Reckless Vehicular Homicide is a third-degree felony. Max 5 years in prison.

Difficult to prove the latter given the jury instructions.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Dump-truck driver was speeding when he hit crossing guard, student, witnesses say
Saturday, April 12, 2008 3:21 AM
By Dean Narciso and Jennifer Smith Richards


THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

Crossing guard Bret Sinclair ushers 8-year-old Wesley Ryan and his father, Scott Ryan, across W. 1st Avenue in Grandview Heights. "There've been some close calls," Sinclair said.




Bright signs, flashing lights and even a parked motorcycle cop aren't always enough to stop motorists from speeding through school zones.

.....

Between Aug. 1 and April 3, there were 2,644 people charged in Franklin County courts with speeding in a 20-mph zone, which includes most school zones. Of them, 70 percent (1,844) were going at least 10 mph over the speed limit.
"Law enforcement should have zero-tolerance policies around schools," said Marchetti, who added that many of the violators are parents.

continued...

 

[MaxBuck]

But this guy isn't going to go to prison ... and he shouldn't. Again, look at the action, and not the consequence. The reason that the action is punishable at all is because we, as a society, understand that the tragic consequences could result.

Homicide by negligence. This MF has a long list of traffic offenses, and he should pay a heavy price and never be allowed to obtain a CDL again. I think jail time would be appropriate, personally.

With respect to the fact that speeding in school zones is common, how does that excuse anything? I am a fairly fast driver, but when I hit a school zone it is 20 mph absolute; I get pretty tired of impatient assholes pulling out and passing me at 35 because they took too long curling their hair that morning and have to hustle to get to the office coffee pot on time. IMO, speeding in a school zone should be fined very heavily - like $500 per infraction.

 

[MaxBuck]

What do you do if a semi cuts you off? Rev up your accord and battle to the death? No, you get the fuck out of the way.

In fact, I do get out of the way of trucks who cut me off, which explains in part how I got to be so goldarn old.

However, this does not mean the a-hole trucker who cut me off (and drivers who cut off other drivers are a-holes whether they occupy a Kenworth or a Yugo) "owns" the road. All it means is his kinetic energy and momentum dwarf mine. Do you claim that a 450-lb airline passenger "owns the air?"

 

[BUCKYLE]

In fact, I do get out of the way of trucks who cut me off, which explains in part how I got to be so goldarn old.

However, this does not mean the a-hole trucker who cut me off (and drivers who cut off other drivers are a-holes whether they occupy a Kenworth or a Yugo) "owns" the road. All it means is his kinetic energy and momentum dwarf mine. Do you claim that a 450-lb airline passenger "owns the air?"

No. But, I would claim that if you are in a lawn chair, floating on the breeze by 450 balloon power, and an F-16 ends up in your airspace, you pop the fuck out of some balloons.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Crossing guard had marijuana in system
Tests don't show if Hilliard woman was impaired when truck hit her

Saturday, June 7, 2008 3:13 AM
By Rita Price


THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

A Hilliard crossing guard who was struck and killed by a dump truck two months ago had marijuana in her system, the Franklin County coroner said yesterday.
But the toxicology tests cannot determine when Dianna L. Sharp might have used the drug, which can remain at detectible levels for days or weeks. Coroner Brad Lewis said the tests also do not show whether Sharp was impaired at the time of her death.
Although there are legal limits for alcohol intoxication, no such standard exists for marijuana, Lewis said.

Continued...

 

[LadyBuckeye]

Crossing guard had marijuana in system
Tests don't show if Hilliard woman was impaired when truck hit her

Saturday, June 7, 2008 3:13 AM
By Rita Price


THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

A Hilliard crossing guard who was struck and killed by a dump truck two months ago had marijuana in her system, the Franklin County coroner said yesterday.
But the toxicology tests cannot determine when Dianna L. Sharp might have used the drug, which can remain at detectible levels for days or weeks. Coroner Brad Lewis said the tests also do not show whether Sharp was impaired at the time of her death.
Although there are legal limits for alcohol intoxication, no such standard exists for marijuana, Lewis said.

Continued...

OMG!!!



Give me an F---in' Break!! That's BullShit!

I'm sure this will get controversial, but so fucking what!!! She wasn't drunk, and more than likely, if she smoked a little of that, it was probably on her time. But of course now, the media makes it look more like it might be that her reaction time was slow (impaired).

Let's ask Scooter:

Did she look like she was high to you, or did she look like she was properly reacting by pushing the boy out of the way.

Was she drooling all over herself??

 

[scooter1369]

OMG!!!



Give me an F---in' Break!! That's BullShit!

I'm sure this will get controversial, but so fucking what!!! She wasn't drunk, and more than likely, if she smoked a little of that, it was probably on her time. But of course now, the media makes it look more like it might be that her reaction time was slow (impaired).

Let's ask Scooter:

Did she look like she was high to you, or did she look like she was properly reacting by pushing the boy out of the way.

Was she drooling all over herself??

She was fine it seemed to me.

 

[MaxBuck]

Crossing guard had marijuana in system

Wow. The litigation landscape on this one has gotten real complicated all of a sudden.