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Bob Buck
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Best Buckeye;680984; said:Does this mean a new thread entitled "Jim Tressel Invented.........
Jim Tressel already thought up that idea, made it happen, analyzed it from every angle, decided he didn't like it, and erased every last shred of evidence that it ever existe...............
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Saw31
High Seas Rogue
[rhetorical] What if Tressel just left both Florida and TSUN off his ballot entirely? Would Dan Patrick still be saying "this is big boy football, you gotta vote"?...
I said it back when there was this ridiculous outcry to make these polls public. Yes, I told ya so. It was a mistake and this is just a byproduct. Balloting only works properly when it's secret. You would think the most successful friggin democracy on the planet would know something about this. Those douchebags in the media that wanted public polls, wanted it for this very reason. It gives them opportunity to expand and improve on their douchebaggery. Dan Patrick has become an expert douchebaggerer. And frankly, he would do well to just go fuck himself, repeatedly...Of course he'll have to finish sucking off whatever imbecile celebrity he's go in the studio first. Then, yeah, go fuck yourself Dan Patrick, repeatedly...
I said it back when there was this ridiculous outcry to make these polls public. Yes, I told ya so. It was a mistake and this is just a byproduct. Balloting only works properly when it's secret. You would think the most successful friggin democracy on the planet would know something about this. Those douchebags in the media that wanted public polls, wanted it for this very reason. It gives them opportunity to expand and improve on their douchebaggery. Dan Patrick has become an expert douchebaggerer. And frankly, he would do well to just go fuck himself, repeatedly...Of course he'll have to finish sucking off whatever imbecile celebrity he's go in the studio first. Then, yeah, go fuck yourself Dan Patrick, repeatedly...
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LA Times
Ohio State's Tressel casts a vote for unaccountability
Chris Dufresne
December 7, 2006
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Transparency is a beautiful thing ? in government, newspapers and college football coaches' polls.
Making the USA Today coaches reveal their final ballots Sunday was like shining a flashlight into an attic.
The glare was so intense for Ohio State Coach Jim Tressel he yanked down the shades ? electing not to cast a final vote because he felt voting for either Michigan or Florida represented a conflict of interest.
The question: How would Tressel have voted given the same situation two years ago when coaches didn't have to make public their final ballots.
If Tressel didn't want a rematch against Michigan, which he didn't, he could have voted the Wolverines third.
There still would have been a conflict of interest ? the only difference being Tressel wouldn't have to admit to it.
For years, the voting coaches crouched behind giant desks and handed off anonymous ballots to their sports information directors.
In 1995, two coaches dropped Florida to 11th and 13th after they lost the national title game to Nebraska, an obvious swipe at then-Gators coach Steve Spurrier.
The coaches couldn't hide forever, though.
Any pretense of credibility dissolved in 2003 when two dozen coaches had to take their No. 1 votes away from USC and give them to Louisiana State because the coaches' association mandated they award the Bowl Championship Series title to the bowl that USC was not playing in.
It got uglier the next year when the bid for the Rose Bowl came down to a BCS tug-of-war between Texas and California.
Alas, last year, the coaches reluctantly agreed to reveal their final votes and then got a lollipop with USC vs. Texas, which had been Nos. 1 and 2 the entire season.
How tough a decision was that?
This year was tough, and we got to see up close how the coaches responded under public pressure.
Tressel punted.
"I thought it wasn't appropriate for us to cast a ballot with circumstances as they were," he said.
Bottom line: If Tressel isn't ready to make difficult choices, he needs to get out of the voting business.
The American Football Coaches Assn. will certainly take up this prickly issue when it meets next month.
"Prior to 2005, coaches were never faced with the decision Jim Tressel had to make this past weekend," AFCA Executive Director Grant Teaff said in a statement. "We will have a policy in place for next season."
That policy needs to simply state: you vote or you're out. Closer inspection of the final coaches' ballot revealed other interesting, if not unexpected, truths.
Of the 19 voting coaches who had teams ranked in the final top 25, only one had his team ranked worse than the team's final ranking: Nebraska Coach Bill Callahan voted Nebraska No. 23, one spot lower than its No. 22 ranking.
Callahan may have tipped his hand when he ripped his own performance in Nebraska's loss to Oklahoma in the Big 12 Conference title game.
"I was disappointed in everything I did," he said in a conference call this week.
Two coaches, Les Miles of Louisiana State and Dennis Franchione of Texas A&M, ranked their teams exactly where they finished in the final poll.
Most coaches had a much higher opinion of their own teams than the consensus.
West Virginia finished No. 12; Rich Rodriguez voted the Mountaineers No. 7.
Notre Dame finished No. 11; Charlie Weis voted the Irish No. 8.
Oklahoma finished No. 8; Bob Stoops ranked the Sooners No. 4.
Conflict of interest?
Illinois Coach Ron Zook voted Florida No. 2 ahead of Michigan. Zook, of course, was the Florida coach before Urban Meyer.
Circle this date: Michigan plays at Illinois on Oct. 20.
And so much for Miles someday getting the Michigan job: The coach, who played for Bo Schembechler and was a longtime Wolverines assistant, voted Florida No. 2.
Miles has always been on the short list of possible successors to Lloyd Carr.
Well, at least he had been.
Ohio State's Tressel casts a vote for unaccountability
Chris Dufresne
December 7, 2006
Related Stories - Chris Dufresne's Top 25
Transparency is a beautiful thing ? in government, newspapers and college football coaches' polls.
Making the USA Today coaches reveal their final ballots Sunday was like shining a flashlight into an attic.
The glare was so intense for Ohio State Coach Jim Tressel he yanked down the shades ? electing not to cast a final vote because he felt voting for either Michigan or Florida represented a conflict of interest.
The question: How would Tressel have voted given the same situation two years ago when coaches didn't have to make public their final ballots.
If Tressel didn't want a rematch against Michigan, which he didn't, he could have voted the Wolverines third.
There still would have been a conflict of interest ? the only difference being Tressel wouldn't have to admit to it.
For years, the voting coaches crouched behind giant desks and handed off anonymous ballots to their sports information directors.
In 1995, two coaches dropped Florida to 11th and 13th after they lost the national title game to Nebraska, an obvious swipe at then-Gators coach Steve Spurrier.
The coaches couldn't hide forever, though.
Any pretense of credibility dissolved in 2003 when two dozen coaches had to take their No. 1 votes away from USC and give them to Louisiana State because the coaches' association mandated they award the Bowl Championship Series title to the bowl that USC was not playing in.
It got uglier the next year when the bid for the Rose Bowl came down to a BCS tug-of-war between Texas and California.
Alas, last year, the coaches reluctantly agreed to reveal their final votes and then got a lollipop with USC vs. Texas, which had been Nos. 1 and 2 the entire season.
How tough a decision was that?
This year was tough, and we got to see up close how the coaches responded under public pressure.
Tressel punted.
"I thought it wasn't appropriate for us to cast a ballot with circumstances as they were," he said.
Bottom line: If Tressel isn't ready to make difficult choices, he needs to get out of the voting business.
The American Football Coaches Assn. will certainly take up this prickly issue when it meets next month.
"Prior to 2005, coaches were never faced with the decision Jim Tressel had to make this past weekend," AFCA Executive Director Grant Teaff said in a statement. "We will have a policy in place for next season."
That policy needs to simply state: you vote or you're out. Closer inspection of the final coaches' ballot revealed other interesting, if not unexpected, truths.
Of the 19 voting coaches who had teams ranked in the final top 25, only one had his team ranked worse than the team's final ranking: Nebraska Coach Bill Callahan voted Nebraska No. 23, one spot lower than its No. 22 ranking.
Callahan may have tipped his hand when he ripped his own performance in Nebraska's loss to Oklahoma in the Big 12 Conference title game.
"I was disappointed in everything I did," he said in a conference call this week.
Two coaches, Les Miles of Louisiana State and Dennis Franchione of Texas A&M, ranked their teams exactly where they finished in the final poll.
Most coaches had a much higher opinion of their own teams than the consensus.
West Virginia finished No. 12; Rich Rodriguez voted the Mountaineers No. 7.
Notre Dame finished No. 11; Charlie Weis voted the Irish No. 8.
Oklahoma finished No. 8; Bob Stoops ranked the Sooners No. 4.
Conflict of interest?
Illinois Coach Ron Zook voted Florida No. 2 ahead of Michigan. Zook, of course, was the Florida coach before Urban Meyer.
Circle this date: Michigan plays at Illinois on Oct. 20.
And so much for Miles someday getting the Michigan job: The coach, who played for Bo Schembechler and was a longtime Wolverines assistant, voted Florida No. 2.
Miles has always been on the short list of possible successors to Lloyd Carr.
Well, at least he had been.
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WolverineTX
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osugrad21;681270; said:
Gasp! Shock! Horror!
That's why the inanity of this entire (non-)incident just baffles me. I have no problem with the decision to abstain, that's entirely his prerogative -- but more importantly I find the outcry directed at Tressel completely misplaced.
If people want to gripe about polls, there's ample room to point out discrepancies or problems with the process itself. There were enough glaring examples (at least in the AP) this season to warrant increased voting scrutiny. I'd even go further, suggesting that perhaps it's time to hammer out some criteria in order to lessen the rampant subjectivity involved -- but regardless, the focus should be on the system. Tressel made his judgment call, and in doing so somehow became an easy target for people who either feel slighted or have too much time on their hands.
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SanAntonioBuck
RIP Our Friend and Hero
Not the Florida Gators!Buckeyeskickbuttocks;680964; said:
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WolverineTX;681318; said:Gasp! Shock! Horror!
That's why the inanity of this entire (non-)incident just baffles me. I have no problem with the decision to abstain, that's entirely his prerogative -- but more importantly I find the outcry directed at Tressel completely misplaced.
If people want to gripe about polls, there's ample room to point out discrepancies or problems with the process itself. There were enough glaring examples (at least in the AP) this season to warrant increased voting scrutiny. I'd even go further, suggesting that perhaps it's time to hammer out some criteria in order to lessen the rampant subjectivity involved -- but regardless, the focus should be on the system. Tressel made his judgment call, and in doing so somehow became an easy target for people who either feel slighted or have too much time on their hands.
Exactly.... and yet, somewhere out there is Jim Weldan (sp?) who is apparently the only person in the world who thinks "honestly" that a one loss Florida is the number one team in the land over an undefeated Ohio State. Don't hear the media schmucks going on and on over whether this dude should have his life revoked, or if he "did the right thing." etc.
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ShakerBuck
Hall of Fame
This topic is really getting old.
It amazes me that it is still getting media attention.
He didn't vote, and it wouldn't have made a difference either way..
end of f*ing story.
It amazes me that it is still getting media attention.
He didn't vote, and it wouldn't have made a difference either way..
end of f*ing story.
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OCBucksFan
I won a math debate
The Playoff argument to me always seems like the sore loser syndrome. You notice the same people who say "we need a playoff" when they are ranked 4-8 never say it when they are ranked 1-2.
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