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2026 tOSU Recruiting Discussion

I still think we are going to see a bigger than usual shuffle this fall when it comes to flips. It really seems like there is a over the top amount of grand NIL deals being promised in this class and I think leaks are eventually going to show in them.

Could very well be. I don't think anyone knows what's going to happen exactly.

I do know from history, say early MLB days when there was no draft, that when markets are completely free and chaotic that the "owners" as it were do usually get around to some form of cooperation that puts a lid on runaway labor expense.

As we've said many times before, it seems almost inevitable but these next couple of years until its a formal pro sports league will be chaotic as hell.
 
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I still think we are going to see a bigger than usual shuffle this fall when it comes to flips. It really seems like there is a over the top amount of grand NIL deals being promised in this class and I think leaks are eventually going to show in them.
Maybe, but if the rumors of these NIL contracts are true, what family would want to pay back even a portion of their NIL deal? These collectives im sure are now lawyering up, and a kid just flipping may not be as easy. And OSU may have to pay some type of buyout for kids. Would they want to go down that road, and then still have to pay their own NIL deal? Time will tell
 
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Maybe, but if the rumors of these NIL contracts are true, what family would want to pay back even a portion of their NIL deal? These collectives im sure are now lawyering up, and a kid just flipping may not be as easy. And OSU may have to pay some type of buyout for kids. Would they want to go down that road, and then still have to pay their own NIL deal? Time will tell

Are these kids getting the money upfront right when they commit? Or are they getting nothing until they actually sign? Seems more like the latter as we constantly see flips to a bigger bidder who swoops in.
 
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I think that OSU targets like 3-5 kids that they're willing to spend what they consider is BIG NIL dollars. And the rest are given are hard line amount. And id even say that those 3-5 are still given less than what they could earn at other schools(JJ couldve gotten more at Miami, Edrick couldve gotten more at UGA). But the rest of the kids aren't taking 50% less and I dont blame them.

Fans will complain and say the kids dont want to win and OSU winning should mean more. But we're not paying their bills. And if it were my kid, just telling me a programs win total wouldn't matter when another school is willing to pay upwards of 50% more

That makes sense on "how" but I just still wonder "why".

They really don't have the money or just won't spend the money? Ultimately everyone has a budget so if this is just saying "look, a running back is only worth $x" a la the NFL to save money to spend on QB, WR, OT types then I totally get that and I hope that is what's happening BUT it doesn't seem to jive with the frustration being let out of the WHAC about misses on some of these positions like Edge.

It feels like we are overall budget wise a little light in the NIL pants and Day and company are doing what they can to compensate. Moneyball is great and all, but we are a big market team. Not the freaking Oakland A's.
 
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Are these kids getting the money upfront right when they commit? Or are they getting nothing until they actually sign? Seems more like the latter as we constantly see flips to a bigger bidder who swoops in.
I think it depends on the school. I think some are getting some up front money. Since certain states can pay NIL to HSers. We have seen no flips from USC or even Texas Tech or Texas for example
 
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That makes sense on "how" but I just still wonder "why".

They really don't have the money or just won't spend the money? Ultimately everyone has a budget so if this is just saying "look, a running back is only worth $x" a la the NFL to save money to spend on QB, WR, OT types then I totally get that and I hope that is what's happening BUT it doesn't seem to jive with the frustration being let out of the WHAC about misses on some of these positions like Edge.

It feels like we are overall budget wise a little light in the NIL pants and Day and company are doing what they can to compensate. Moneyball is great and all, but we are a big market team. Not the freaking Oakland A's.
The "why" is being hidden behind the Oz curtain. And only someone like Bjork or Day can answer that. With the talk a few weeks ago from Bjork after the House said they wouldn't step in, many thought that offers would be increased but it still seems like OSU is one of the only schools still wanting to "follow the rules", when there are essentially none. The NCAA won't and cant enforce a thing and congress says they dont care collegiate sports made their bed. Bjork is finding ways to generate money but is reluctant to spend it. Yet in places like Lubbock and Eugene they're willing to throw a few million at a kid with not a care in the world
 
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The "why" is being hidden behind the Oz curtain. And only someone like Bjork or Day can answer that. With the talk a few weeks ago from Bjork after the House said they wouldn't step in, many thought that offers would be increased but it still seems like OSU is one of the only schools still wanting to "follow the rules", when there are essentially none. The NCAA won't and cant enforce a thing and congress says they dont care collegiate sports made their bed. Bjork is finding ways to generate money but is reluctant to spend it. Yet in places like Lubbock and Eugene they're willing to throw a few million at a kid with not a care in the world

Exactly what I think too which means it isn't exactly correct.

:lol:
 
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That makes sense on "how" but I just still wonder "why".

They really don't have the money or just won't spend the money? Ultimately everyone has a budget so if this is just saying "look, a running back is only worth $x" a la the NFL to save money to spend on QB, WR, OT types then I totally get that and I hope that is what's happening BUT it doesn't seem to jive with the frustration being let out of the WHAC about misses on some of these positions like Edge.

It feels like we are overall budget wise a little light in the NIL pants and Day and company are doing what they can to compensate. Moneyball is great and all, but we are a big market team. Not the freaking Oakland A's.
So it was reported that we spent around 35M last year. Do you believe it's less this year ?

Given it's not an unlimited budget do you go back to players like Caleb or JJ and tell them you have to renegotiate their deals to sign some 5 star DE ? I don't think so. You would believe we had a shit ton drop off the budget from the roster last year. I'm so confused ....
 
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So it was reported that we spent around 35M last year. Do you believe it's less this year ?

Given it's not an unlimited budget do you go back to players like Caleb or JJ and tell them you have to renegotiate their deals to sign some 5 star DE ? I don't think so. You would believe we had a shit ton drop off the budget from the roster last year. I'm so confused ....

yeah, the limited data points we have do not tell a coherent story
 
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Wouldn't be interesting to see some sort of analysis of "production vs spend" in these deals. Is your money getting the production it deserves ?
The issue is that it will be very hard to quantify because a kid earning 7 figures as a true frosh will be expected to produce damn near all conference stats from day 1. For instance, the scUM NIL cant be happy that Underwood is starting the year as a backup. And the pressure will only get worse if he's not starting by mid season if not game 3. And in essence, a true frosh QB should be allowed time to learn the playbook and adjust to the speed of the game. But we're setting up these kids to fail because theyre getting paid so much.
So it was reported that we spent around 35M last year. Do you believe it's less this year ?

Given it's not an unlimited budget do you go back to players like Caleb or JJ and tell them you have to renegotiate their deals to sign some 5 star DE ? I don't think so. You would believe we had a shit ton drop off the budget from the roster last year. I'm so confused ....
Its almost impossible to quantify how much was paid, because everything is a rumor. And Bjork made the biggest blunder by saying OSU had a $20mil roster because that's all talking heads could use as a basis. If he never put that number out, no one would have any base data point to use. He could've even said $50mil and journalists would've ran with it.
 
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And Bjork made the biggest blunder by saying OSU had a $20mil roster because that's all talking heads could use as a basis. If he never put that number out, no one would have any base data point to use. He could've even said $50mil and journalists would've ran with it.
While I'm less concerned, at this point, about our financial commitment to and strategy regarding recruiting than some (and am also in my self-imposed three-year no BMW window that follows a natty), I do increasingly suspect that Bjork is the putz that most of us figured he was based on his A&M track record. As for being a market setter on NIL, I wonder if "the complaints" from people like Pantoni are ways for good copping/bad copping the big donors without Day himself risking political capital.

The big donors clearly spent big time last year, and we may just find that working this current and likely temporary "system" means being a big spender in some years and not as much in some others. I'd also note that for whatever reason top recruiting classes don't follow nattys, at least not at Ohio State. The 2015 class was 7th nationally, and the 2003 class was a disaster by Ohio State standards (25th by Scout and 41st by Rivals).
 
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While I'm less concerned, at this point, about our financial commitment to and strategy regarding recruiting than some (and am also in my self-imposed three-year no BMW window that follows a natty), I do increasingly suspect that Bjork is the putz that most of us figured he was based on his A&M track record. As for being a market setter on NIL, I wonder if "the complaints" from people like Pantoni are ways for good copping/bad copping the big donors without Day himself risking political capital.

The big donors clearly spent big time last year, and we may just find that working this current and likely temporary "system" means being a big spender in some years and not as much in some others. I'd also note that for whatever reason top recruiting classes don't follow nattys, at least not at Ohio State. The 2015 class was 7th nationally, and the 2003 class was a disaster by Ohio State standards (25th by Scout and 41st by Rivals).

I think donator fatigue is probably a real thing, I don't think we really have the types that are just going to keep writing blank checks year to year without thinking twice about it. Even when winning is occuring. Maybe winning last year registered in the head of said donors that they don't have to repeat that this season.
 
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This is all going to go the way of MLB in my opinion. There's going to be the LAs and New Yorks that can just out spend everyone and have the best talent every year. And there's going to be some schools that spend a lot less and have to develop the heck out of their rosters.

Occasionally one of those non spenders is going to hit the jackpot with a couple of players and make a run at it but for the most part, it's going to be the mega rosters in the playoffs every year.

Ohio State has no business ever being in the latter category so they might as well start ponying up and buying the guys they really want every year and be the bleeping Yankees of this thing!
 
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