2023 tOSU Recruiting Discussion

[OregonBuckeye]

Do not be mistaken, it’s not “other top schools.” It’s actually just that one school.

Compared to anyone not named Alabama, where is OSU lacking depth?

Missing depth isn't something that usually happens after one year; it's more gradual. That's why it's important to recognize it early on before it becomes a huge issue. Stud has coached some great O-Linemen but he needs to find replacements too. It doesn't seem like he's doing that at a high enough rate. One or two blue chip recruits per class is simply not going to get it done in the long run.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

You can really tell who’s drinking that Jonestown orange drink a certain insider keeps mixing up and serving.

Once again, the problem isn’t this year or even next. The problem is several years from now when they have no depth at tackle and one of the starters goes down. “We’ve got talent stacked” simply isn’t true at the tackle position. Stud is a pretty good coach, but you have to have actual bodies to coach. Now, maybe he lands Goodwin or another college-ready OT and this is a moot point. That said, only bringing in Wagner this year is a disaster waiting to happen (see CB recruiting the three years previous to this).

And yes, plenty of schools are out-recruiting Ohio State the tackle position outside of Alabama.

What insider are you referring to? You always make these vague comments kind of ragging on other sites but never elaborate on who you’re talking about.

Anyway, the only other site I read is Lettermen Row. What orange drink is Birm serving?

Why do people think Goodwin is college ready? If he goes anywhere and gets significant time, that program has bigger issues. Have you actually watched his tape? He’s highly ranked based on potential.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

Missing depth isn't something that usually happens after one year; it's more gradual. That's why it's important to recognize it early on before it becomes a huge issue. Stud has coached some great O-Linemen but he needs to find replacements too. It doesn't seem like he's doing that at a high enough rate. One or two blue chip recruits per class is simply not going to get it done in the long run.

I get what you’re saying, but we literally had this same conversation with Ed Warinner. Now OSU is gearing up to have one of the deepest lines in the country.

The only game I can remember that OSU lost because of OL is 2016 Penn State.

I’d have more concern if guys weren’t developing and there were glaring issues on the OL every year.

 

[HotMic]

I get what you’re saying, but we literally had this same conversation with Ed Warinner. Now OSU is gearing up to have one of the deepest lines in the country.

The only game I can remember that OSU lost because of OL is 2016 Penn State.

I’d have more concern if guys weren’t developing and there were glaring issues on the OL every year.

I don’t think you do get what he’s saying, because you keep ignoring that people aren’t talking about this season. This year’s depth has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation.

Using Ed as an example is a bit strange given the fact he just just lost another job thanks to not caring about recruiting.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

The One Who Got Away: Anybody who doesn’t list Latham here is lying to themselves. If Covid doesn’t happen, Latham visits in the spring and is a Buckeye. Alas, Covid did happen, giving Saban the opportunity he needed. Once Nick had Mom on board, this one was over.

When it comes to OL, you can’t just throw out the numbers as a whole and say “we’re fine”. There’s no issue on the interior of the line, he’s been fine there, but we’re approaching critical level at OT.

Without COVID, Ohio State signs Latham and has the #1 OT recruit in 3 of the past 4 classes (NPF in 2018; Paris Johnson in 2020; JC Latham in 2021) and Alabama is jealous of us. You can't blame Stud for COVID, so you can't blame Stud for losing Latham, and the supposedly "critical" situation at OT.

With that being said, Ohio State needs to have a strong OT class in 2022, but they have several months to get some guys on board. I will withhold judgment until we see who the Buckeyes land at that position. If it's a bunch of three-star reaches, then I will join you in your criticism.

Getting back to Goodwin for a minute (it is his thread, after all).... If Goodwin selects Kentucky over Ohio State, then I'm certainly not going to blame Stud for that. Why? Because that would mean Goodwin also picked Kentucky over Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Oklahoma, Florida, LSU, Oregon, Notre Dame ... not to mention second-tier teams like Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Southern Cal, Texas, Texas A+M, Miami, North Carolina, Florida State, Auburn.... Not to mention several other third-tier teams that unlike Kentucky have been on the rise recently (Iowa State, Indiana, Northwestern, Cincinnati, Ole Miss). In other words, if Goodwin selects Kentucky, he will have his own personal reasons for doing so, and those reasons will not include playing college football for a powerhouse program, or even a moderately respectable program.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

I don’t think you do get what he’s saying, because you keep ignoring that people aren’t talking about this season. This year’s depth has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation.

Using Ed as an example is a bit strange given the fact he just just lost another job thanks to not caring about recruiting.

I’m fully aware the point isn’t just this season. I said earlier in this thread they’ll likely sign 2 good OT’s and a 3rd development guy. Did you miss that? The point is that we’ve heard these same conversations about OL depth if Ed and then Stud didn’t pick up their recruiting. Yet, here we are. This season was the future at one point.

You said if they only sign Wagner this year, it’s a fail. Why do you think he’s the only one who will sign? There’s still a whole season of football to play.

Also, Ed didn’t get fired because he doesn’t care about recruiting. He got removed from recruiting because he’s a massive jerk, and then fired because he wasn’t coaching OL well enough.

 

[jakenick06]

Without COVID, Ohio State signs Latham and has the #1 OT recruit in 3 of the past 4 classes (NPF in 2018; Paris Johnson in 2020; JC Latham in 2021) and Alabama is jealous of us. You can't blame Stud for COVID, so you can't blame Stud for losing Latham, and the supposedly "critical" situation at OT.

With that being said, Ohio State needs to have a strong OT class in 2022, but they have several months to get some guys on board. I will withhold judgment until we see who the Buckeyes land at that position. If it's a bunch of three-star reaches, then I will join you in your criticism.

Getting back to Goodwin for a minute (it is his thread, after all).... If Goodwin selects Kentucky over Ohio State, then I'm certainly not going to blame Stud for that. Why? Because that would mean Goodwin also picked Kentucky over Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Oklahoma, Florida, LSU, Oregon, Notre Dame ... not to mention second-tier teams like Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Southern Cal, Texas, Texas A+M, Miami, North Carolina, Florida State, Auburn.... Not to mention several other third-tier teams that unlike Kentucky have been on the rise recently (Iowa State, Indiana, Northwestern, Cincinnati, Ole Miss). In other words, if Goodwin selects Kentucky, he will have his own personal reasons for doing so, and those reasons will not include playing college football for a powerhouse program, or even a moderately respectable program.

 

[BB73]

Without COVID, Ohio State signs Latham and has the #1 OT recruit in 3 of the past 4 classes (NPF in 2018; Paris Johnson in 2020; JC Latham in 2021) and Alabama is jealous of us. You can't blame Stud for COVID, so you can't blame Stud for losing Latham, and the supposedly "critical" situation at OT.

With that being said, Ohio State needs to have a strong OT class in 2022, but they have several months to get some guys on board. I will withhold judgment until we see who the Buckeyes land at that position. If it's a bunch of three-star reaches, then I will join you in your criticism.

Getting back to Goodwin for a minute (it is his thread, after all).... If Goodwin selects Kentucky over Ohio State, then I'm certainly not going to blame Stud for that. Why? Because that would mean Goodwin also picked Kentucky over Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Oklahoma, Florida, LSU, Oregon, Notre Dame ... not to mention second-tier teams like Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Southern Cal, Texas, Texas A+M, Miami, North Carolina, Florida State, Auburn.... Not to mention several other third-tier teams that unlike Kentucky have been on the rise recently (Iowa State, Indiana, Northwestern, Cincinnati, Ole Miss). In other words, if Goodwin selects Kentucky, he will have his own personal reasons for doing so, and those reasons will not include playing college football for a powerhouse program, or even a moderately respectable program.

You had me at “second-tier teams like _ichigan”.

 

[HotMic]

Without COVID, Ohio State signs Latham and has the #1 OT recruit in 3 of the past 4 classes (NPF in 2018; Paris Johnson in 2020; JC Latham in 2021) and Alabama is jealous of us. You can't blame Stud for COVID, so you can't blame Stud for losing Latham, and the supposedly "critical" situation at OT.

With that being said, Ohio State needs to have a strong OT class in 2022, but they have several months to get some guys on board. I will withhold judgment until we see who the Buckeyes land at that position. If it's a bunch of three-star reaches, then I will join you in your criticism.

Getting back to Goodwin for a minute (it is his thread, after all).... If Goodwin selects Kentucky over Ohio State, then I'm certainly not going to blame Stud for that. Why? Because that would mean Goodwin also picked Kentucky over Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Oklahoma, Florida, LSU, Oregon, Notre Dame ... not to mention second-tier teams like Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Southern Cal, Texas, Texas A+M, Miami, North Carolina, Florida State, Auburn.... Not to mention several other third-tier teams that unlike Kentucky have been on the rise recently (Iowa State, Indiana, Northwestern, Cincinnati, Ole Miss). In other words, if Goodwin selects Kentucky, he will have his own personal reasons for doing so, and those reasons will not include playing college football for a powerhouse program, or even a moderately respectable program.

The problem wasn’t just losing Latham, it’s that there was no contingency plan in place. I think Zen can be good, but let’s not pretend he was a top of the board option. I’m not blaming Stud for Covid, I am blaming him for being a weak recruiter that was unable to overcome it. The QB room brought in a five star with no Ohio connections. The running back room brought in a five star with no Ohio connections. The WR room brought in a five star with no Ohio connections. The DL room is poised to bring in a five star with no Ohio connections. The DB room brought in two of the top five CB’s, neither of which had any Ohio ties. They were all dealing with the same Covid issues.

You know football well enough to know that you can’t go into a season with three guys who can play tackle. Maybe he’s learned from his previous mistakes and has a guy lined up in the case Goodwin falls through. I really hope he has.

 

[Jaxbuck]

How is it a cop out when guys, especially offensive linemen, routinely outperform or underperform according to their ranking? None of the linemen that are projected to go in the first round were 5 stars and Penei Sewell was a 4 star OG.

It's as simple as this; the staff wanted Carman, had him above other guys on their board and didn't get him. The staff wanted Latham, had him above other guys on their board and didn't get him. They wanted Goodwin, have him higher than other guys on their board and apparently are in the process of not getting him.

Missing on the top guy but still getting someone else isn't exactly elite recruiting.

If the unit can plug-and-play as well as they did last year, I’m not sure why there are any complaints. They’ll land 2 good OT’s this year and probably a 3rd development guy.

You think they have these 2-3 guys they are going to go get rated higher than Goodwin or lower?

This is the same recipe for disaster at a position we saw bite us this year due to recruiting missteps 3 years ago at DB. People were adamant then that we'd be fine, anyone Coombs plugs in will be great, one of the recent first rounders was a 3 star etc etc etc.

 

[pnuts34]

The problem wasn’t just losing Latham, it’s that there was no contingency plan in place. I think Zen can be good, but let’s not pretend he was a top of the board option. I’m not blaming Stud for Covid, I am blaming him for being a weak recruiter that was unable to overcome it. The QB room brought in a five star with no Ohio connections. The running back room brought in a five star with no Ohio connections. The WR room brought in a five star with no Ohio connections. The DL room is poised to bring in a five star with no Ohio connections. The DB room brought in two of the top five CB’s, neither of which had any Ohio ties. They were all dealing with the same Covid issues.

You know football well enough to know that you can’t go into a season with three guys who can play tackle. Maybe he’s learned from his previous mistakes and has a guy lined up in the case Goodwin falls through. I really hope he has.

Not only does Stud have to mold and develop Zen, but also Toutant and Leroux who most have forgotten about. And they're hardly in the 3 deep going into their 2nd years. It's not as easy to work with raw lower rated OTs, NPF, Munford and PJJ had great bases to work with.

I get what you’re saying, but we literally had this same conversation with Ed Warinner. Now OSU is gearing up to have one of the deepest lines in the country.

The only game I can remember that OSU lost because of OL is 2016 Penn State.

I’d have more concern if guys weren’t developing and there were glaring issues on the OL every year.

I'm curious to see how Stud develops those 3 young raw prospects, since all of the depth is on the interior. And losing out on Goodwin after losing out on Latham in 2020 hurts more, since both were seen as being favored for a while in their recruiting cycles. And that's why the gap between Bama and OSU. It's not just the skill position players, because I believe that OSU is on par with them. But the depth in the trenches is not the same. Covid hurt Latham, but there should've been a plan b already in place. Look at Alford and his strategy after losing Robinson and Knighton, he didn't let that happen after. And in 2021, he didn't expect to just Henderson and Pryor, he continued to recruit as if we had no RBs coming in. And he's doing the same in 2022.

At the end of the day, we have 1st world problems, and it could be much worse. I'd hate to be an Arkansas, Tennessee or Ped St fan...

I’m fully aware the point isn’t just this season. I said earlier in this thread they’ll likely sign 2 good OT’s and a 3rd development guy. Did you miss that? The point is that we’ve heard these same conversations about OL depth if Ed and then Stud didn’t pick up their recruiting. Yet, here we are. This season was the future at one point.

You said if they only sign Wagner this year, it’s a fail. Why do you think he’s the only one who will sign? There’s still a whole season of football to play.

Also, Ed didn’t get fired because he doesn’t care about recruiting. He got removed from recruiting because he’s a massive jerk, and then fired because he wasn’t coaching OL well enough.

Ed got fired because he sucked as an OC, as well as being a jerk human being who couldn't recruit(IDK who to blame more for 2015, him or Beck).

 

[Mike80]

Ed got fired because he sucked as an OC, as well as being a jerk human being who couldn't recruit(IDK who to blame more for 2015, him or Beck).

2015 I put on Urban. At any point in time he could have fixed that circus but never did until it bit them.

 

[Trevi]

https://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/threads/ol-coach-greg-studrawa-official-thread.639104/

 

[MistaBohmbastic]

First off, everyone is already talking as if this battle is lost. I won't believe it til I see it. A young man in his position passing up on ALL of the Big 3 schools for U.K. Is outright absurd.

With that said, losing Goodwin wouldn't mean this class is over. Still holding out hope for Tyler Booker and Julian Armella, two of CJ Hicks' new teammates. Though we haven't heard much from those two in regards to communication with OSU lately, Booker should be visiting in June. He did make a comment in an interview that had me wondering whether anyone could get him outta the SEC, but I am a speculator

 

[jwinslow]

2015 I put on Urban. At any point in time he could have fixed that circus but never did until it bit them.

2015 would have stumbled into a playoff berth.

But they didn't have another baldwin, who was many levels below the buckeye signees that lead to stud conversations.