Even with Dobbins gone, we still have Crawley, Chambers and Teague. Not saying we are loaded at RB but we could go another class before we REALLY need some.
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Even with Dobbins gone, we still have Crawley, Chambers and Teague. Not saying we are loaded at RB but we could go another class before we REALLY need some.
We have Teague next year, and Crowley and Chamber for two more years after this season, provided neither enter the portal. I can see the staff passing on taking a back this class after missing on those backs they really wanted.
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If they always want 4 guys in the QB room it seems sort of dangerous to only have 3 in the RB room.
That's a position where depth can evaporate quickly.
Might not have a choice at this point but it certainly isn't ideal.
That's a position where depth can evaporate quickly.
Might not have a choice at this point but it certainly isn't ideal.
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Here's an example of Woody's pair and a spare; Ohio State 1974:
The pair:
Archie Griffin* RB 256 Att, 1695 Yds, 6.6 Avg
Pete Johnson* RB 80 Att, 320 Yds, 4.0 Avg
The spare:
Champ Henson RB 88 Att, 433 Yds, 4.9 Avg
All the other running backs on the roster (you know, for depth):
Ray Griffin RB 43 Att, 223 Yds, 5.2 Avg
Woodrow Roach RB 16 Att, 81 Yds, 5.1 Avg
Lenny Willis RB 11 Att, 146 Yds, 13.3 Avg
Bob Robertson RB 6 Att, 13 Yds, 2.2 Avg
Louis Williott RB 5 Att, 11 Yds, 2.2 Avg
Jeff Logan RB 1 Att, 3 Yds, 3.0 Avg
Dave Mazeroski RB 1 Att, 5 Yds, 5.0 Avg
And just so it doesn't look like I'm cherry picking, here's 1955:
The pair:
James Roseboro* RB 152 Att, 712 Yds, 4.7 Avg
Don Clark* RB 139 Att, 797 Yds, 5.7 Avg
The spare:
Galen Cisco* RB 64 Att, 438 Yds, 6.8 Avg
And all the other RBs in the room:
Don Sutherin RB 35 Att, 104 Yds, 3.0 Avg
Dick LeBeau RB 7 Att, 3 Yds, 0.4 Avg
Hubert Bobo RB 4 Att, 4 Yds, 1.0 Avg
Don Vicic RB 21 Att, 92 Yds, 4.4 Avg
Joe Cannavino RB 8 Att, 20 Yds, 2.5 Avg
Philip Robinson RB 4 Att, 23 Yds, 5.8 Avg
The pair:
Archie Griffin* RB 256 Att, 1695 Yds, 6.6 Avg
Pete Johnson* RB 80 Att, 320 Yds, 4.0 Avg
The spare:
Champ Henson RB 88 Att, 433 Yds, 4.9 Avg
All the other running backs on the roster (you know, for depth):
Ray Griffin RB 43 Att, 223 Yds, 5.2 Avg
Woodrow Roach RB 16 Att, 81 Yds, 5.1 Avg
Lenny Willis RB 11 Att, 146 Yds, 13.3 Avg
Bob Robertson RB 6 Att, 13 Yds, 2.2 Avg
Louis Williott RB 5 Att, 11 Yds, 2.2 Avg
Jeff Logan RB 1 Att, 3 Yds, 3.0 Avg
Dave Mazeroski RB 1 Att, 5 Yds, 5.0 Avg
And just so it doesn't look like I'm cherry picking, here's 1955:
The pair:
James Roseboro* RB 152 Att, 712 Yds, 4.7 Avg
Don Clark* RB 139 Att, 797 Yds, 5.7 Avg
The spare:
Galen Cisco* RB 64 Att, 438 Yds, 6.8 Avg
And all the other RBs in the room:
Don Sutherin RB 35 Att, 104 Yds, 3.0 Avg
Dick LeBeau RB 7 Att, 3 Yds, 0.4 Avg
Hubert Bobo RB 4 Att, 4 Yds, 1.0 Avg
Don Vicic RB 21 Att, 92 Yds, 4.4 Avg
Joe Cannavino RB 8 Att, 20 Yds, 2.5 Avg
Philip Robinson RB 4 Att, 23 Yds, 5.8 Avg
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and he also said every freshman you start is a loss, 3 things can happen when you pass the ball and two f them are bad etc.
Not everything Woody said 50 years ago is still relevant today.
I don't have time to look at it right now but look at what Urban's RB rooms consisted of. That is much more telling as it relates to what Day probably considers ideal.
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Let’s all just wait and see if Bijan comes back into play over the next couple weeks. Texas is a mess. Ohio State is the hottest team of the year. JK Dobbins is a Heisman candidate.
If I’m Bijan, I’m having a serious conversation with my grandparents. This is his career, legacy, and financial status they are messing with. Cam Akers is a Heisman candidate and a first round pick at Ohio State. At best, he’s 2nd team All-ACC at FSU and a day two pick.
If I’m Bijan, I’m having a serious conversation with my grandparents. This is his career, legacy, and financial status they are messing with. Cam Akers is a Heisman candidate and a first round pick at Ohio State. At best, he’s 2nd team All-ACC at FSU and a day two pick.
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didn’t Tejas get two decommits this week or something like that? TB Tom is having a good year.
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ShowMeBuck
You know what? Chicken butt.
The common thoughts about RB recruiting are:
The staff is really happy with the 3 they have after Jk
The staff will almost assuredly take 1 no matter what but generally speaking won’t reach.
I think both are true. If I’m Day, I just keep trucking opponents and see how this thing plays out. Wouldn’t surprise me at all to see a nice flip come down the road who could be the only back in the class or I could see just 1 RB that’s a 3 star type that they believe in and they move on to ‘21
The point is, I think the staff currently is playing this exactly like I would. There is no reason to panic and no reason to reach. Teague came late in the cycle. Plus almost all the focus on the portal thus far has been on QBs but others positions will see this impact as well.
There’s just too many reasons to be patient at this point. Especially when your current ground game is pounding people and your Sunday stars are shining bright in the NFL and this shows no signs of slowing down with the current crop.
I’d play this thing exactly like the staff is.
The staff is really happy with the 3 they have after Jk
The staff will almost assuredly take 1 no matter what but generally speaking won’t reach.
I think both are true. If I’m Day, I just keep trucking opponents and see how this thing plays out. Wouldn’t surprise me at all to see a nice flip come down the road who could be the only back in the class or I could see just 1 RB that’s a 3 star type that they believe in and they move on to ‘21
The point is, I think the staff currently is playing this exactly like I would. There is no reason to panic and no reason to reach. Teague came late in the cycle. Plus almost all the focus on the portal thus far has been on QBs but others positions will see this impact as well.
There’s just too many reasons to be patient at this point. Especially when your current ground game is pounding people and your Sunday stars are shining bright in the NFL and this shows no signs of slowing down with the current crop.
I’d play this thing exactly like the staff is.
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this article re: Robinson is what i thought ....
its a lot cheaper to fly to Austin or LA(its drivable right?) from Phx than Columbus and more frequent flights...
if its about seeing him play often then OSU is gonna lose that one because of the lack of cheap & frequent flights... I know this because it’s borderline payday loans to get back to columbus from austin for a family of 4 (and i make decent money).
this is always going to be an issue for Out of state kids who’s parents might not have the means to drop the cash to fly and see their kids as much as they want.
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As @Buckeye86 noted above, Woody didn't have scholarship limits to deal with, and he admittedly stockpiled recruits solely to keep them from scUM and ND. And Ray Griffin moved to safety and Jeff Logan also became a DB IIRC. But as long as we're cherry-picking, here's our RB pool this year:
JK Dobbins 154 Att 1,110 Yds, 7.2 Avg
Master Teague 86 Att, 588 Yds, 6.8 Avg
Demario McCall 11 Att, 44 Yds, 4.0 Avg
Marcus Crowley 17 Att, 155 Yds, 9.1 Avg
Steele Chambers 10 Att, 79 Yds, 7.9 Avg
Amari McMahon 1 Att, 10 Yds, 10.0 Avg
Mitch Rossi 0 Att
Xavier Johnson 0 Att
Robert Cope 0 Att
Even with the departures of Dobbins and McCall after this season, the cupboard is hardly bare. Granted, there's a reason why none of McMahon, Rossi, Johnson, and Cope are on scholarship...yet. Still, having a "main three" of Teague, Crowley, and Chambers leaves us in a pretty good situation at RB for 2020.
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Well, since it was your contention in response to Jax's worry about a thin RB room that having just 3 would meet with Woody's approval, I'd say it's incumbent on you to find any instance where he had just 3 people in that room (beyond walk ons). I'll spare you the trouble, there isn't one. Since 1992, when allotted scholarships became 85, it would appear (from a quick glance through the years from them to now), that a RB room of about 5 to 7 guys is the preference.
Logan, by the way, did not become a DB. He was Ohio State's leading rusher his Junior season (1976, 218 carries for 1248) before being passed on the depth chart by Ron Springs in 1977. EDIT: Also, I looked and was surprised to see that Ray Griffin was a DB for one season. I, like you, thought he was a DB longer than that (I would have even guessed he was a DB upon becoming a Buckeye)
Of course, the whole idea of "Pair and a spare" had nothing to do with the size of the RB room in the first instance. Instead, it's the idea that you want at least 3 guys who are game ready. Maybe Teague, Crowley, and Chambers will be all OSU needs in 2020 - but that doesn't alleviate Jax's concerns; if any one of those guys goes down, OSU won't have a game ready pair and a spare without adding more scholarship players to the room.
Logan, by the way, did not become a DB. He was Ohio State's leading rusher his Junior season (1976, 218 carries for 1248) before being passed on the depth chart by Ron Springs in 1977. EDIT: Also, I looked and was surprised to see that Ray Griffin was a DB for one season. I, like you, thought he was a DB longer than that (I would have even guessed he was a DB upon becoming a Buckeye)
Of course, the whole idea of "Pair and a spare" had nothing to do with the size of the RB room in the first instance. Instead, it's the idea that you want at least 3 guys who are game ready. Maybe Teague, Crowley, and Chambers will be all OSU needs in 2020 - but that doesn't alleviate Jax's concerns; if any one of those guys goes down, OSU won't have a game ready pair and a spare without adding more scholarship players to the room.
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or even more simply; if the OSU staff was comfortable with just 3 next year, why did they offer so many guys?
They clearly wanted at least 2 if they were the right guys.
Concern over depth and the fact that the staff swung and missed is a different line of reasoning than "things will be ok".
They likely will but not be design
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