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TOSU QB Enigma

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I am pretty sure that the traditionally mediocre level of QB play at tOSU will be a negative deciding factor for the Tebows, just as it was for Mark Sanchez last year.

Before I get crucified for that remark, let me just suggest that you try to think of a single Buckeye QB who has had any sort of a career at the next level. There are scUM QBs winning SuperBowls; Miami/OH and Marshall QBs tearing up the NFL; a Purdue QB taking his sorry team to the NFL play-offs -- but there's never an OSU QB doing anything significant after leaving the Horseshoe. In fact, the OSU QB who has had the best NFL career is undoubtedly Tom Tupa. That's saying something.

Until that tradition changes and tOSU puts a Heisman-caliber QB on the field for a season or two, we're never going to land a truly great one like Tebow (or Sanchez). We may see some Ohio kid surprise the world by developing beyond all expectations while he's at tOSU (Schlicter could have done that, if mental illness hadn't destroyed him), but unless that happens, we're never going to land a high school kid who projects to be an NFL-caliber player. If my son were a big-time prospect, as much as I bleed scarlet and gray, there's no way in the world I would choose Bollman and Daniels as the coaching team to optimize his skills and set him up for a bright future in football.

Blame Woody, blame Cooper, blame whoever you want -- but great QB prospects don't select tOSU as the place to develop and showcase their skills. I sure wish they did, but they just don't.
 
There are indeed valid concerns about our coaching staff's ability to develop QBs... whether this is true or not is debatable... but places like scUM, USC, and perhaps now UF are much better choices if you are looking at it strictly from a pro career standpoint.
 
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Blame Woody, blame Cooper, blame whoever you want -- but great QB prospects don't select tOSU as the place to develop and showcase their skills. I sure wish they did, but they just don't.
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yet somehow we manage to have the highest winning percentage since 1950. damn.....wish we could get a QB :roll2:
 
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What nobody's thinking is this might bode WELL for OSU QB coaching. There were plenty who got a ton of time in the NFL that were good here (Germaine, Hoying, Kent Graham) even just since 90's and never amounted to anything, so doesn't that kind of say the OSU coaches rule?
 
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Quick trivia questions

How many quarterbacks who played at OSU for Jim Tressel have NOT been drafted into the NFL?

Answer zero.

Second question - how many quarterbacks recruited by Jim Tressel at OSU have completed their careers and had an opportunity to develop at the next level?

Answer zero.

Third question - how many quarterbacks must a college program send to the NFL in order to be successful?

Answer zero.

Fourth question - How many elite eleven quarterbacks has Jim Tressel recruited since coming to OSU?

Answer three.

Fifth question - How many quarterbacks who graduated from the University of Delaware are currently playing in the NFL?

Answer two.

Final question - What is the problem we are trying to solve?

I need a little help with this one.
 
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Very true... and Smith seems to be developing quite nicely...

OSU was thought of as a run-first offense (still is despite the spread formation) yet we were somehow able to snag Galloway, Glenn, Boston, Rambo and a bunch of other WRs.

I was merely trying to avoid everyone jumping on the guy for saying UM was better at developing QBs, which they have been.
 
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I was merely trying to avoid everyone jumping on the guy for saying scUM was better at developing QBs, which they have been.
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but have they developed them better or just had better luck?

Anyone who says Brady had NFL star written all over him while in Ann Arbor is lying.

Grbac...hmmm...he had 2 solid NFL seasons and made a career from them.

Henson wasn't there long enough to develop...he was just a talent.

Jimmy Harbaugh is your best argument there, but he was a three year starter with a football pedigree.
 
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I agree a lot of it was luck... I'm just talking about to a recruit it is pretty hard to argue that UM is not one of the premiere places to go if you want to play pro football.

I would say there are plenty of better places, especially USC, for young QB talent.

But to a recruit, that's the picture that the media has painted and so UM merely has to remind them of that.
 
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True. I did not word very well...I would say perception instead. tOSU was known as an offensive power in the 90's....it is only these past few years that have clouded memories. However, I can see that changing this year.
 
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Gotta agree, at least to an extent, with Bandito and BFs. Perception is everything nowadays, and Michigan is portrayed as a QB factory, regardless is that's accurate or not. USC, with two Heisman QBs in three years is now up there, too. While we have recruited three Elite 11 QBs under Tressel, they haven't blossomed yet (yeah, Smith had the great Michigan game and Zwick performed exceptionally in the Alamo Bowl). Once we have a season where the QB is featured in a high-powered offense and we consistently put up 35+ points a game, then big-time national QB recruits will up and take notice.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Gotta agree, at least to an extent, with Bandito and BFs. Perception is everything nowadays,
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I can agree with the perception...but who has Michigan developed? Brady is a system QB...talented of course, but a product of the system.

I'm not disagreeing with the realization of the perception...just the perception itself.
 
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I will grant the perception and much of the reality (Michigan has 5 QBs in the NFL right now - more than any other school). I will even agree that it does have a marginal impact on recruiting. But I wont agree that it is a significant problem.

You win college football games with good college quarterbacks - not future NFL quarterbacks. The list of Heisman QBs who couldn't cut it in the NFL goes on and on but they were all stars in college. Craig Krenzel will surprise us all if he ever sets the NFL on fire, but he knew how to win games at the college level.

It would have been great to land Sanchez. It will be great if we land Tebow. But failure to land either wont keep us from competing for the NC. Prior to Krenzel the last time we won an NC was with Rex Kern. Kern played in the NFL - as a DB if I recall correctly. He didn't have the QB skills for the NFL but he was the perfect college QB for the team he was on.

The 'Tressel Ball' we played in '02 featured conservative, mistake free offense. It worked. For that team with that combination of talent - it worked. Other teams were showboating QBs with great arms who are now starting what may be great careers in the NFL. Their mistakes - and the coaches style of play that attracted them as recruits - may have cost them games in college that left them short of that NC. Phillips is in the NFL

I am not trying to make the argument that we should prefer second tier QBs, but I am arguing that attracting first tier QBs may require a change in style of play that is not without its dark side. (Or am I somehow miscounting the number of NCs that those 5 Michigan QBs have won?)

It would be good if the perception changed - and it yet may under JT. But we are recruiting the caliber of QBs that we need to win at the college level and so long as that is true it is not a major issue IMO.
 
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