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TOSU QB Enigma

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I want to rise to my own defense for a second on this one.

yet somehow we manage to have the highest winning percentage since 1950. damn.....wish we could get a QB :roll2:
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I am fully aware that our beloved Buckeyes have had fabulous success without ever developing a truly great QB. My comments were not intended to denigrate the entire history of the program, just to point out a truism: TOSU is not a place top-notch high school QBs -- from outside Ohio, anyway -- choose to attend. Never, ever.

Oh8ch then offers up a clever list of rhetorical questions that have absolutely nothing to do with the point I was making ...and earns a Great Post Award for it. I don't disagree with a single comment he made, except that they are irrelevant to the point of my original post.

You can hang your hat on Craig Krenzel -- a bright, gritty, even heroic football player, but in no one's opinion a truly great QB -- and the promise of JT's future recruits all you want. I hope you're right. But it doesn't change the fact that top-notch high school QBs from outside Ohio have never, ever chosen tOSU as the team to build their careers around. That's not a horrible thing by any means. We've had terrific success without them. It's not an indictment of anybody -- Woody, Cooper or Tressel. It's just a fact. We're known for the running game and smash-mouth defense, and lately exceptional special teams. We're just not known for QBs.

There's no reason for folks to get all worked up over the truth. It's actually kind of fun living in the real world. Try it sometime.

PS -- my original post was a response to the Recruiting thread on Tim Tebow. Someone at a much higher pay grade than mine decided to move it off to the Professional section as a thread-starter. That was never my idea.
 
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I have a serious question that I really do not know the answer to. Can someone please share with me some QBs who were the highest rated players coming out of high school, had stellar college careers and tore up the NFL?
 
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FritoBandito said:
we're never going to land a high school kid who projects to be an NFL-caliber player.
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You don't think Justin Zwick was getting some NFL-potential talk coming out of Massilon?

There's no reason for folks to get all worked up over the truth. It's actually kind of fun living in the real world. Try it sometime.
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I didn't see anyone getting worked up at all...I saw a pretty good discussion regarding various perceptions of the situation...I'd classify it all as real world thinking as well.

FritoBandito said:
PS -- my original post was a response to the Recruiting thread on Tim Tebow. Someone at a much higher pay grade than mine decided to move it off to the Professional section as a thread-starter. That was never my idea.
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Because it had nothing to do with Tim Tebow...this is a discussion in itself.
 
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Joe Namath, Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Joe Montana, Payton Manning off the top of my head. It's a nice long list.

There seems to be a predictability about the really great ones. That's not to say it always works out, but the amazingly great ones seem to be great from birth. Check out Jerry Rudzinski's column this week on Bucknuts about Nature vs. Nurture. He comes down squarely on the side of Nature.
 
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FritoBandito said:
Joe Namath, Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Joe Montana, Payton Manning off the top of my head. It's a nice long list.
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But you could easily name just as many sure-fire successes that crashed and burned...

Todd Marinovich, Ryan Leaf, Todd Blackledge, CJ Leak, Ron Powlus....

If success was a predictable as you are claiming, the Draft would be simple and the NFL would never see a bust.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Rick Mirer, Akili Smith, Cade McNown, and (dare I say it) Tim Couch....
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Tim Couch was definitely marked for success...he pushed Ohio recruit Jeff Snedegar to LB at Kentucky. He ended up all-SEC at a position he didn't want to play at tOSU...he went to UK to play QB.
 
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Because it had nothing to do with Tim Tebow...this is a discussion in itself.
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It had everything to do with Tim Tebow. He's not coming to Ohio State to play football and folks who think he is are dreaming. That is the subject of the Tebow recruiting thread.

Granted, it's also interesting fodder for a separate discussion and I'm glad my post started the dialogue.

You don't think Justin Zwick was getting some NFL-potential talk coming out of Massilon?
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Yes, I'm sure he was. He had a lot of promise as a high-schooler. I said, perhaps not clearly enough, that a terrific Ohio kid could change our reputation (the Schlicter comment) but my larger point was in reference to the Tebows and Sanchezes of the world -- the out of state prospects. Remember, my post was to the Tebow recruiting thread.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
 
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FritoBandito said:
It had everything to do with Tim Tebow. He's not coming to Ohio State to play football and folks who think he is are dreaming. That is the subject of the Tebow recruiting thread.
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No, the recruitment of OOS QB's or tOSU QBs in the NFL has nothing to do with Tim Tebow's recruiting thread. As has been shown innumerable times, we split off any discussion that is not directly about the recruit. This topic could have implications concerning TT's recruitment, but it had nothing to do woth the kid himself. Therefore, as was shown in past precedence, it was split.


Anyway, there is one name escaping my mind right now, the OOS QB from the 90's who was ranked #1 in various recruiting publications, but anyway OOS QB's at tOSU who came in with pretty good rankings: Jim Karsatos, Austin Moherman (transfer), and David Priestly (transfer). Also, Eric Kumerow (Illinois) came in as a QB before outgrowing the position.

Kumerow's grandfather was also Tony "Big Tuna" Accardo, Chicago mob boss and basis for Coppola's Don Corleone character. Nothing to do with QBs, but a nice little fact :)

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Actually Montana was not that all highly thought of early on at ND....
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Exactly Montana was 3rd string until midway through his Sophomore year. Then he was drafted in the 3rd round of the NFL Draft...kind of low for a guaranteed success.
 
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Actually Montana was not that all highly thought of early on at ND....
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Exactly Montana was 3rd string until midway through his Sophomore year. Then he was drafted in the 3rd round of the NFL Draft...kind of low for a guaranteed success.

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But he was a two-sport superstar at Ringgold high school in Monongahela, PA. He turned down a basketball scholarship to NC State to play football at ND.

And there were a ton of knowledgable ND fans who were furious he wasn't played earlier in his career. That was just bad ND coaching, not poor play on Joe's part. And regardless of where he was drafted, he is generally considered the best QB ever to put on pads.

So he was highly touted as a high schooler and he did live up to his early promise. The fact that a few coaches along the way were too stupid to see it says more about those coaches than it does about Montana.
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But that argument for noticeable early athleticism can be used for almost any Division 1 athlete...it has nothing do with guaranteed greatness as you alluded to earlier.

Steve Bellisari was an incredible athlete...that did not guarantee his success. Quincy Carter was a high MLB draft pick...didn't make him a great NFL QB.
 
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HMMM!! Montana was not know as the best practice QB so the coaching question is not entirely valid. Montana had the same rap many college QB's have
i.e size, arm strength. I just saw him at the BLUE-GOLD game and man is he skinny.


I had some poster here PM me and actually say that because Montana had average stat's at ND he sucked at ND. The guy also said that because Germaine and (I think) Krenzel had a few better stat's that they were better college QB's than Montana and Theisman. He hadn't a clue that they are in the College Hall of Fame........
 
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