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Ok, a couple of things, Frito was arguing that no non-ohio elite QBs have come here, that point seems to be escaping most of you

The points that seem to be escaping Frito is that Tebow has not ruled out anyone, let alone a school he still lists during some interviews despite not having an offer. And his love for Tressel's faith is a huge plus for a rock-solid christian who is home-schooled to boot and is looking for a coaching staff where he feels at home

I agree that QB success does not always hang on top recruits. Clearly Tom Brady and others were not the best picks ever but did quite well, and Montana was a huge sleeper.

But that doesn't change the fact that we very very rarely (if ever) land premiere QB recruits. Look at it this way, if UM were arguing that their lack of quality LBs was not a problem b/c tons of guys fizzle out like MDA (thus far, I'm still pulling for the kid), we would laugh in their faces. Who gives a crap if some of them don't pan out? Do we honestly believe that our top notch LB recruits do not give us an advantage, just b/c the occasional guy doesn't live up to his hype?
 
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Ok, a couple of things, Frito was arguing that no non-ohio elite QBs have come here, that point seems to be escaping most of you
From the Ozone archives:

* Austin Moherman (6-5 200, 4.7 Mission Vjo,CA ) QB

Great all around athlete who attended the OSU football summer camp and was hand picked by quarterback coach Walt Harris. One of the top QB's on the West Coast this year. Rated a top 10 QB nationally by many recruiting services. Had a better junior year than senior year. According to his coach, did not have a great receiver corps surrounding him this year so his season suffered due to dropped balls. Said to have an absolute cannon of an arm.

* Transferred.

Again, with OOS recruiting, tOSU does not need to go out of state to find major talent. That reality may cloud the perception of our ability to recruit nationally, but it is only a perception...not a reality.
 
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I side more with the grad/LJB side... and good find grad on the MV guy (which seems to be something of our Cali underground road back to OSU)

We do not need the tebow's and sanchez'. I think we're doing just fine. Tho I wouldn't mind if we'd shirk that perception and be able to land Demetrius or Timothy during years like this one where the in-state talent seems to be down.

Again tho, with our current roster, I think we can afford to wait for Smith and the 07 class if nothing pans out this year. And I'm pretty excited to see what Boeckman can do as he develops...
 
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There are approximately 119 Division 1 football teams in the NCAA.

Every year, there are less than 15 legitimate guys labeled as "can't miss"

Often times, guys who are destined for greatness slip under the radar or are lucky enough to fall into the perfect system (Alex Smith is a good example).

The Elite 11 camp is a good indicator, although certainly not a perfect assessment, of guys who are viewed as having the potential to become major players. They are assessed and chosen by one of the best QB gurus in the nation.

tOSU has 3 Elite 11 QBs on the upcoming roster...all three are from Ohio.

Why is our OOS QB recruiting even an issue?

scUM has to recruit OOS...they have no other choice. However, Ohio is overflowing with football talent.

Perception is not always reality...maybe our OOS QB recruiting is not as strong as other schools, but then again our in-state QB recruiting is outstanding.
 
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Ok, a couple of things, Frito was arguing that no non-ohio elite QBs have come here, that point seems to be escaping most of you
i dont think that point escaped anybody. its the point that we don't need (and have never needed) the dan marinos of the world to win that is going missed. the point is to win, not to win the QB recruiting battles.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
i dont think that point escaped anybody. its the point that we don't need (and have never needed) the dan marinos of the world to win that is going missed. the point is to win, not to win the QB recruiting battles.
Agreed... I guess it just looked like some of the responses to his posts were... well look at the Ohio guys we've had...

But as usual Grad has schooled me to a degree (tho I really wasn't on either side on this one)
 
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I agree it has been a good conversation, and to add to its quality I just found a pretty good applicable writeup:

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</td> <td valign="top"> By Mr. Bucknuts
Date: Jun 5, 2005

May was largely a quiet month for OSU football recruiting, but a flurry of activity has happened in the past few days. Mr. Bucknuts discusses that as well as an in-depth look at quarterback recruiting the latest version of his monthly recruiting review and report card. Click the link to check it out.
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I mentioned in a recent “Bucket of Bullets” column that there would ultimately be 31 players from the 2002 national championship Buckeye team that will be drafted by teams in the NFL. An even more remarkable feat was that 26 faithful readers rang me up (justifiably) that I forgot about the most important player on that team.

Craig Krenzel.

They were right. Mea culpa.

He was often overlooked for his heroic services at the time but – in retrospect – Craig might have been the heart and soul of the team in the same way that Rex Kern was a generation before him. Even more than his field presence, Krenzel represented the type of team player that Coach Tressel was seeking: Craig was simply 1/11th of the offense and he was expected to do his job without mistakes. He was also expected to contribute a highlight reel play every now and again.

What does all this blathering have to do with a recruiting column? Well, it got me thinking. And then it was all downhill from there.

Krenzel was the “prototype” QB that Jim Tressel wanted running his offense. He was big (6’4” and 225). He was smart (majoring in Molecular Genetics). He had a great high school background in the position of quarterbacking. And he was backed up by a guy, Scott McMullen, with similar attributes (and 6’3” and 215). If Krenzel (or McMullen) needed to gain a couple yards rushing, they were capable. But they weren’t really running QB’s. They were good athletes but not to be confused with a Michael Vick or even a Vince Young (ouch…).

And that’s the type of quarterback Coach T has been recruiting. Only they got bigger and more athletic and headier and had bigger arms. Just check out the progression:

1. Justin Zwick: As to size, he is 6’4”and 225. He is a good athlete with an adequate arm and can run for a first down if pressed. He also runs the Buckeyes’ vaunted quarterback sneak with the best of them! As to “heady”, Justin won a state championship in the last seconds – when he was 15 years old. He has played at the highest levels of quarterbacking for a long time, now.

2. Todd Boeckman: As to size, Todd is a big’n at 6’5” and 235. And as to athleticism, this is a kid who was All-State in basketball and baseball, too. He started at quarterback for St. Henry since he was a freshman (might have been his best year, statistically…) and his father was the coach, so all he knows is a steady diet of QB aphorisms.

3. Joe Bauserman: If you want to talk athleticism, here’s a guy playing professional baseball right now and throwing 90+ MPH heat. Yes, a good arm. Size-wise, Bauserman is 6’2’ and 215. He was renown in Florida for leading his Tallahassee Lincoln team back from precarious situation and triumphing. Despite the average looking stats, he has/had all the “intangibles”.

4. Rob Schoenhoft: The big just keep getting bigger. Rob told me that he expected to play at OSU at 6’6” and 240 pounds. Arm strength? His coach told us that half of Rob’s incompletions were spot-perfect passes that his receivers just couldn’t hold. Athlete? Heady? Rob got his St. Xavier basketball team into the high school final four with last-minute hoops in two different games.



Then look at the quarterback prospects, the kids OSU recruited in the last few campaigns; kids that decided to go elsewhere. They include Mark Sanchez last year, probably the best QB in the land. He was a drop back athletic guy. They also looked at a similar lesser light in Gene Delle Donne. The year before? Xavier Lee and Anthony Morelli were the big names before OSU settled on Bauserman.

At this point in the thesis, you might be asking: is there a pony in the pile of horse manure somewhere? Is there a point? Yes. And here it is. Mr. Bucknuts believes that the “Troy Smith Experiment” has changed the way that the Tressel Team looks at the QB position for the Buckeyes. The fact that a Troy Smith-type quarterback brings such a powerful dimension to the offense, and a dimension that becomes so much harder to defense, spreads out the field and spreads out the possibilities.

Troy was a throw-in, to be blunt, in his recruiting class with those people “in the know” saying he would be switched to wide receiver while Ted Ginn (his coach) told us he would be the future Buckeye quarterback. He wasn’t the size we expected. He wasn’t the stereotypical drop-back QB. He was shake and bake. He had little experience at the position. And – hey – they have another Glenville product this year that might be a bigger version (Arvell Nelson)! But I digress…

With Todd Boeckman the mostly likely heir to the throne, then how do the possibilities line up if you are projecting the future of the quarterback position?

Well, next season (2006) Smith and Zwick will be seniors in eligibility and Boeckman will be a sophomore. Schoenhoft will be a red-shirt freshman. If the Buckeyes recruit one/two newbies, he/they will be true freshmen and will be red-shirting that year. That means that for the 2007 campaign (if the world is linear and the creek don’t rise…), Boeckman would take over as a junior (with four years of “seasoning”!), Schoenhoft would be the back-up as a sophomore and the newbies would be red-shirt frosh.

That also means that there would be as many as six quarterbacks on the team in 2006. Quite a change from having Ted Ginn step in to take snaps – in a bowl game – because OSU didn’t have a back-up they could put in!

It also means that the QB (or two) that the Buckeyes select this year will probably tell us the future of the OSU offensive machinery. Do they go back to the days of the big athletic drop-back quarterback who isn’t supposed to make mistakes? Do they go into an era of shake-and-bake shuck-and-jive QB athletes that drive defenses nuts and – maybe – drive their own coaches a little batty at the same time?

Well…look, with me, at the candidates that seem to be on the charts right now. After all, this is a recruiting column. And our column of candidates line up like this:

From Ohio

We have the probable largest group of talented quarterback prospects in Ohio this year that has been on the national radar screen in anyone’s memory. Here they are:

Mike Hartline: Odds-on favorite from GlenOak. He is well spoken, 6’5” and skinny with a good command of the game and a standout on his track team. Mike is the prototype the Buckeyes have pursued in years past.

Nate Davis: From Bellaire, Nate is 6’3” and 215. Not bad, size-wise. He is so good at baseball and basketball that he could get schollies in those sports as well. Not as shifty as a Troy Smith, he might still be more of that genre.

Rudy Kirbus: From the quarterback factory at St. Ignatius, Rudy is 6’4” and 210 and is a lot like the guys we have been describing here (and a lot like Brian Hoyer before him).

Miles Schlichter: He’s got the name but he might not have the frame. 6’1” and 195 (both could be generous), he also plays basketball and runs track. He is not generating other offers and his stats are probably hurt by the running offense that Miami Trace employs.

Arvell Nelson: He’s tall and he is an athlete and he’s from the same school as Troy Smith and he hasn’t played much quarterback yet and his coach (Ted Ginn Sr.) raves about him. What’s not to like?

Brennen Glass: Brennen led the state in yards last year with 3000 yet has garnered little big-name attention on the recruiting trail. The camps might tell this tale…


From Outside Ohio

There are always the fantasy league quarterbacks, the guys everyone is in on that OSU also hopes to have a shot at. In years past, that included names like Mark Sanchez, Ryan Perrilloux, and Michael Bush. This year’s group of Would-Love-To-Haves have names like:

Isiah Williams: I had a great story about Isiah that I was dream weaving. The next Troy Smith. The quarterback that would change OSU’s recruiting orientation. The guy that might put Boeckman and Schoenhoft on the pine. But, then, before I even got my fingers warm, he committed to Ron Zook at Illinois, In fact, just to rub our faces in it, he said that he had committed weeks before but he was too excited to keep it a secret any longer. So it goes…Isiah is a scrambler with a howitzer for an arm and – god knows – Illinois needs a new weapon.

Demetrius Jones: Demetrius is the other Chicago QB that seemed to be everyone’s second choice after Isiah prophesized Illinois. He also said his “next favorite” was Notre Dame, but they already have a Top 100 quarterback committed. Here’s one to keep your eye on…

Tim Tebow: This year’s Mark Sanchez? Everyone wants the do-everything quarterback out of Florida and OSU is amongst his 40 or so offers.

Adam Weber: Weber (Shoreview, Minn. Mounds High School) has raised his stock during the spring with outstanding camp performances. Minnesota is the strongest offer but Ohio State is interested, and he has said he will camp at Ohio State.

Sean Hakes: The “oddball” of the group – a Texas quarterback that says he loves the Buckeyes but…he’s played very little quarterback! He also says that he is coming to the Ohio State camp so they can get a better understanding of Sean.


Those are the players. With Isiah already committed, the dual threat QB’s might be just Demetrius Jones and Nate Davis, with perhaps Miles Schlichter peeking in from the outside. The staff could take two (like they did with Zwick and Smith…) but that gives us 6 quarterbacks on scholarship. The odds are that they could also take none, but that could leave us thin in two years.

And that’s the theorizing. Check back with me later in the season and, no matter what happens, I will tell you why I’m right!

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there's no way in the world I would choose Bollman and Daniels as the coaching team to optimize his skills and set him up for a bright future in football.
[/QUOTE]Joe Namath, Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Joe Montana, Payton Manning off the top of my head. It's a nice long list.
people mentioned Marino a couple times as an example... someone can tell me if i'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Coach Daniels was the QB coach at Pitt when Marino was tearing it up over there.

i'll take krenzel and a championship over peyton manning anyday.
 
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people mentioned Marino a couple times as an example... someone can tell me if i'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Coach Daniels was the QB coach at Pitt when Marino was tearing it up over there.
Yes he was OC during Marino's sophomore, junior, and senior years...he left to join the Browns in 83.
 
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Mr bucknuts is a friggin idiot who is pasting his own version on the events that have transpired in qb development.....what a douchebag.....

Coach T had what position on the Ohio State staff in the mid 80's....and how did that qb turn out?

Now, as a head coach he inherts a less than measurable qb and turns him into a starter for the Chicago Bears...

All indications under JT point to the ability to make a qb ready for the next level....what woody did or coop did is not even a factor in these kids minds...
 
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