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Game Thread tOSU at Indiana - Oct 13, 8 ET, BTN

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End of Line;2234560; said:
Brandon Castel ‏@BCastOZone
Roby said this defense needs to wake up and realize it can't take plays or drives off

Brandon Castel ‏@BCastOZone
Roby said the defense looks up and see how many points the offense has on the board and they start to relax.

Brandon Castel ‏@BCastOZone
Roby even said guys on defense were laughing and joking around on the sideline before they gave up those last two touchdowns.

Coaches need to hold these guys accountable.
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Roby needs to take the defense over and start kicking guys in the ass if he sees that happening.

Leaders lead.
 
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MaxBuck;2234895; said:
I can definitely say that fans who are absolutely fukcing clueless about what goes on in a locker room or in athletes' heads have no goddamn right to claim that the athletes "lack desire." What an ignorant and arrogant comment.

I'm as disappointed by the Buckeyes' performance last night as anyone, but please, fans, get a clue -- if you think you can psychoanalyze Curtis Grant, Ryan Shazier or Christian Bryant by remote control, you're wrong. Even "effort" is pretty much impossible to gauge in most cases.

Yeah, I'm [censored]ed off. As the parent of an athlete, I got a right.
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Nobody is psychoanalyzing anyone Francis. If you read through the threads you will find a lot of folks thinking along this line. And yeah, I am the parent of an athlete too....
 
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buckeyebri;2234986; said:
I am the parent of an athlete too....
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And how do you react when they say your kid has "an attitude problem" or "lacks desire," or doesn't put out enough "effort" based only on what they can observe as spectators?

I've seen this [Mark May] all too often at matches, games, and meets, and it disgusts me. No different with Buckeye players. They have the right to call out one another, but when fans do it, there's no excuse. Regardless of whether "everyone does it."

Francis.
 
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MaxBuck;2234997; said:
And how do you react when they say your kid has "an attitude problem" or "lacks desire," or doesn't put out enough "effort" based only on what they can observe as spectators?

I've seen this [Mark May] all too often at matches, games, and meets, and it disgusts me. No different with Buckeye players. They have the right to call out one another, but when fans do it, there's no excuse. Regardless of whether "everyone does it."

Francis.
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Personally, I don't give a shit what they think, which is what I teach my own. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I am sure the Buckeye players really don't care what the folks who post on BP think either. At the end of the day they will play the way they play and we will speculate about it.
 
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buckeyebri;2235001; said:
Personally, I don't give a [Mark May] what they think, which is what I teach my own. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I am sure the Buckeye players really don't care what the folks who post on BP think either. At the end of the day they will play the way they play and we will speculate about it.
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Exactly. I don't know if its a lack of will, talent, effort that is plaguing the defense (combo of all three?) All I know is that if we want to stay undefeated, our defense needs to perform better.

Simple as that.
 
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Mike80;2234924; said:
Roby needs to take the defense over and start kicking guys in the ass if he sees that happening.

Leaders lead.
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Perhaps he should lead by example and knock the guy that was about to save the ball inbounds on his ass so Indiana doesn't get the ball back instead of spectating.

JMHO.
 
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Bill Lucas;2235042; said:
Perhaps he should lead by example and knock the guy that was about to save the ball inbounds on his ass so Indiana doesn't get the ball back instead of spectating.

JMHO.
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You're wrong - I'd bet he's been taught to let that ball go out of bounds on an onside kick and not get near it. The Indiana guy made a play, Roby just happened to be in the area.

Leadership isn't just about making plays or reacting to a once in a lifetime play that we will never see again. Nor is the stupid quote of "leading by example" anywhere near applicable to the situation - the situation being the game. If it's about performance in the game, Roby is the leader of the defense by far and away along with Hankins. But it's not, it's about what's going on within the team meetings, in the locker room, on the sidelines and pre and post snap as well.

Beyond that, making a mistake in a game doesn't mean he's any less of a leader or anything like that. Letting guys smoke and joke on the sideline when the game is still going on is a lack of leadership. If he's going to talk about it to the press, he'd better be talking about it and showing it to his team mates.

with a defense that apparently has a lack of talented depth, a strong leader (think Doss) would have all of these guys on the same page. that hasn't happened yet. But it has very little to do with that onside kick.
 
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Bill Lucas;2235051; said:
It's a different view. It's not wrong. I didn't say to go near the ball I said to put a hat on the guy attempting to make the play.

"You're wrong". What a crock of Mark May.
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whatever - apparently leadership is only defined by once in a lifetime plays in your world....
 
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