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Game Thread Tostitos Fiesta Bowl: Ohio State 34, Notre Dame 20 (final)

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OSU true freshman Lawrence Wilson has made such rapid progress during bowl preparations that he's moved into the starting rotation at defensive end. After registering only two tackles while appearing in 10 regular-season games, the 6-foot-6, 225-pound Akron native is suddenly reminding teammates of 2003 Big Ten defensive player of the year Will Smith.
"He has a lot of characteristics Will had," junior safety Donte Whitner said. "His stance looks like Will's. His burst off the ball looks like Will's. Once he learns the game, he's going to be a great player."
Although OSU coach Jim Tressel believes comparisons with Smith are premature, he didn't consider Whitner's reviews entirely farfetched.
"(Wilson) might look a little more imposing than Will did at that age," Tressel said. "He's a little taller and heavier. And he works like Will. If he ends up that good, we'll be excited.

First, "starting rotation?" Is that the same as starting, or does that mean he's in the 2-deep? I know that Ohio State likes to substitute the front four often, and the 2nd team may play almost as much as the first team. Maybe that's what they mean by "starting rotation." Anyone know for sure?

Second, he's 225 pounds. That seems pretty small to me. But he's bigger than Will Smith was. Is that 225 a typo, maybe, or has he gotten bigger since those measurements were taken? Or maybe DE's aren't as big as I've always thought they were.
 
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First, "starting rotation?" Is that the same as starting, or does that mean he's in the 2-deep? I know that Ohio State likes to substitute the front four often, and the 2nd team may play almost as much as the first team. Maybe that's what they mean by "starting rotation." Anyone know for sure?

Second, he's 225 pounds. That seems pretty small to me. But he's bigger than Will Smith was. Is that 225 a typo, maybe, or has he gotten bigger since those measurements were taken? Or maybe DE's aren't as big as I've always thought they were.


I think that he will get the "rush end" snaps that Carpenter would normally get. If Carpenter does play, don't expect to see Wilson out there.
 
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Got to Tempe today. The house I am renting is flanked by two domer contingents. Pretty funny. We were all arriving from the East Coast at the same time. The second thing one of them said to me after he said ND was a Stone Cold Lock was that Vegas favored the Domers by 4 points. I told him I thought he had it backwards and that the Line opened at OSU -5.5 points.

I called my guy in South Philly and he has OSU -5.0 right now. Additionally, he said he expected it to slide more than it has towards ND. But, he said his action has been very even; most of his regulars are taking OSU to cover and he has many, many first timers or regulars placing bets for Domers that will bet ND no matter what the line is so it's not sliding much at all.

Also, he says that Auburn is giving 9.5 and that I should bet the house on it.
 
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12/30/05

Catching catching up with pitching

Notre Dame receiver Samardzija now facing tougher career choice

By Marla Ridenour

Beacon Journal sportswriter

<!-- begin body-content -->SCOTTSDALE, ARIZ. - A year from now, Jeff Samardzija will have to decide whether to pursue a career in professional baseball or the NFL. Before this September, that choice would have taken no more than five minutes.
Samardzija's first two years as a receiver at Notre Dame were a disappointment. While he towers over defenders at 6-foot-5, he managed just 24 catches and no touchdowns.
Then Sept. 10 against Michigan, starting receiver Rhema McKnight suffered a season-ending knee injury and Samardzija became quarterback Brady Quinn's favorite target.
The junior caught 71 passes for 1,190 yards and 15 touchdowns, the last two setting single-season records for the Irish. Samardzija became the first Notre Dame receiver since 1970 and just the third to go over 1,000 yards.
Suddenly, Samardzija was one of three finalists for the Biletnikoff Award and phone calls from potential football agents were interrupting his family's dinners. Defending him will be a key in Ohio State's game plan when the two teams meet Monday in the Fiesta Bowl.
Until this breakout season, Samardzija had much better numbers in baseball. As a freshman starter, the lanky right-hander posted a 2.95 ERA. Last season he led the Irish staff with an 8-1 record. He's been selected preseason All-Big East and coach Paul Mainieri hopes Samardzija wins 10 games this spring.
Samardzija said his fastball has reached 95 on the radar gun and is ``consistently around 90-92.'' He also throws a breaking ball and splitter and is working on a change-up.
``In a perfect world he'll go out this spring and have a great year, get drafted, have the opportunity to sign in June and still play college football next fall,'' Mainieri said. ``John Elway did it, Ricky Williams, Drew Henson. It's being done frequently.
``I feel confident that at least one team will want him to get a taste of professional baseball. He may decide after next football season that professional baseball is the route he wants to go. It will be which is the most financially beneficial for him and what he enjoys doing. It's a wonderful gift he has to have the option.''
Samardzija (pronounced suh-MAR-zhuh) never missed a start in his final three prep seasons of football, basketball and baseball at Valparaiso (Ind.) High School. He isn't stressing out over his future.
``From the beginning I said I was going to give my heart to both sports and whatever worked out in the end was going to be my decision,'' he said. ``After this season my decision has gotten exponentially tougher. Still I'm not worried about it. I'm not leaning one way or the other. I'm just trying to have fun with these guys. It goes so fast, before you know it I'll be playing my last home game at Notre Dame Stadium and trying to figure out what I want to do.''
Mainieri gushes over Samardzija's baseball talent.
``Jeff's going to get nothing but better,'' Mainieri said. ``He's such a great athlete. He has such a perfect pitcher's frame. You see him standing on the mound and you see a major-league pitcher -- 6-5, long arms, big hands, a nice loose delivery.
``He's only scratching the surface of what he can become as a pitcher. He doesn't pick up a ball from the end of our season in June until now. His arm strength takes awhile to build up.''
Notre Dame hasn't had a player combine football and baseball since the mid-1990s and Mainieri said the main reasons are the challenge of playing for two top 10 programs and the cooperation needed between the two coaches.
``If Charlie Weis didn't want him to play baseball, he'd have to make the choice now,'' Mainieri said. ``But Charlie is supportive and together we're making this work for Jeff. Jeff has been great for both our teams.''
Samardzija said he's been playing catch for three or four weeks, ``trying to get the wing in shape for a long season.''
``Coach Mainieri and Coach Weis are good friends and they keep in touch. I don't step on any toes,'' Samardzija said.
Samardzija said he'll listen to both when the time comes to choose his career path. Also included will be his father, Sam, whom Jeff practically took care of after Jeff lost his mother, Debora, in June 2001 from acute respiratory distress syndrome.
``I'm surrounded by the right people,'' Samardzija said. ``I've got a lot of good family and friends, two great head coaches. It will be a tough decision but not a bad one to have.''
 
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12/30/05

Stakes big for OSU, Irish

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There isn’t a whole lot on the line Monday when Ohio State and Notre Dame play in the Fiesta Bowl.

No national championship, just pride. Oh, and a higher final ranking.
Fourth-ranked Ohio State could work its way to No. 2 in the country with a win over the Irish, depending on what happens between No. 1 USC and No. 2 Texas in the Rose Bowl.

The Buckeyes and Irish were close to playing in the Rose Bowl, themselves. Losses to No. 2 Texas and No. 3 Penn State crushed the Buckeyes’ hopes. Notre Dame lost to No. 1 Southern Cal in the final seconds and then fell in overtime against unranked Michigan State.

The Fiesta Bowl winner could stake a claim to the preseason No. 1 ranking next year. It could be a preview of next year’s national championship game — hosted, coincidentally, by the Fiesta Bowl.

But next year can wait for Ohio State quarterback Troy Smith, though the junior will return in ’06 with running back Antonio Pittman and wide receiver Ted Ginn Jr.

“It’s for the seniors,” Smith said of Monday’s game. “They could go undefeated in bowl games and have a great college legacy.”

This will be Smith’s first appearance at quarterback in a bowl game. He was suspended for last year’s Alamo Bowl, and Craig Krenzel quarterbacked the Buckeyes to a Fiesta Bowl win over Kansas State in 2003.

Ohio State ran through its last intense tuneup for the game Thursday at Pinnacle High School in Scottsdale, Ariz.

“We’re at the point where everybody is itching to play a game,” Head Coach Jim Tressel said.

One player scratching a bit more is senior linebacker Bobby Carpenter. He broke a bone in his ankle during the regular-season finale against Michigan.

Carpenter, a likely first-day NFL draft pick, has vowed to play.

Tressel said that will be up to medical personnel.

“Bobby did a little but more today, and it will still be a game-time decision,” Tressel said. “Today was like a (regular-season) Tuesday practice. I’ve seen a lot of healing happen between Tuesday and Saturday, but I would hesitate to say exactly how it’ll turn out.

“The medical people are No. 1, and giving it good discretionary thought is No. 2. Bobby wants to play badly, if he can play well. You know Bobby doesn’t play half-speed.”

He won’t be able to.

The Buckeye defense will face, perhaps, the best offense it has seen this season. The Irish are led by Columbus-area product Brady Quinn and running back Darius Walker. Walker was offered a scholarship by the Buckeyes, but turned them down at the last minute to sign with Notre Dame.

Quinn has come of age this season, throwing for an Irish-record 3,633 yards.

Since 1950, a Notre Dame quarterback has thrown for 300 yards or more in a game 16 times. Quinn has seven of those. He’s been picked off just seven times and thrown 32 touchdown passes, another Notre Dame record.

“Any time you go against a great offense and a great coach, they’re going to find ways to exploit what you do,” Ohio State linebacker A.J. Hawk said. “People talk about matchups, and that’s what it’s all about.”

A key matchup will be Ohio State cornerbacks Tyler Everett and Ashton Youboty against Notre Dame’s wide receivers. Everett is a 5-foot-11 senior playing his final game. Youboty is a junior testing the NFL draft market. He’ll need a solid performance in the Fiesta Bowl to improve his status.

“You have to have a certain mentality,” Tressel said. “We’ve faced big guys before, and you have to review past performances. You have to work on situations where the ball is thrown up, and you have to fight like crazy. ... We definitely respect them just from watching film.”

Not a whole lot on the line?

Just respect, pride, next season and the NFL Draft for some guys.
Reach Repository sports writer Todd Porter at (330) 580-8340 or e-mail:

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FIESTA BOWL:
OHIO STATE
VS. NOTRE DAME
Monday, 5 p.m. Sun Devil Stadium, Tempe, Ariz. TV Channel 5
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Zibby's toughness forged by family

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Tribune Staff Writer


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The words bounce off Tom Zbikowski's tough exterior, more of an annoyance now than something that tears at his soul.
Deceptively fast.
It almost seems scripted with the regularity in which college football television commentators attach the term to the Notre Dame junior safety/punt returner. Just as he heard when he was an option quarterback at Buffalo Grove (Ill.) High School. Just as he heard when he settled into the starting blocks as a high school sprint standout.
"I'd like to think I'm just fast," said Zbikowski, who'll need every bit of his speed and savvy to keep up with Ohio State's fleet receiving corps in the Fiesta Bowl, Monday at Tempe, Ariz. "I guess if you asked teams that tried to catch me this year, they'd say I'm pretty fast."
But not perfect. The 6-foot, 208-pounder is the first to point that out.
"I think I've gotten better from game to game," Zbikowski said. "I've taken (defensive backs) coach (Bill) Lewis' teachings and tried to work on my weaknesses -- not being too aggressive and trying to hit everyone on every single play. Just being more patient."
He's never been patient about the speed issue, though, nor have his parents, Ed and Sue.
That's why they'd drive around the country in the years leading up to Tom coming to Notre Dame, pitting their son against some of the nation's best sprinters. They'd sleep in the car, eat fast food, give up any semblance of a social life to prove a point -- over and over again.
And they'd do the same to amplify their youngest child's ambitious amateur boxing career as well.
"When you're a white athlete, you're never fast," Ed said without a hint of resentment or disrespect in his voice. "It's reality, and we dealt with it."
Recruiting analyst Tom Lemming of CSTV and the Prep Football Report, said Zbikowski's saga is hardly isolated.
"When it comes to football, white athletes have to prove themselves more than black athletes at certain positions -- cornerback, wide receiver and running back," Lemming said. "There's a prejudice amongst a lot of college coaches -- not all of them -- that white guys can't play those positions. So when they get to college, they get switched right away to other positions.
"Tommy lasted three days at cornerback. Even though he was one of the fastest kids in Illinois (sixth in the 100-meter dash at the large-school state meet as a senior), there was a stigma with (former Irish coach) Tyrone Willingham's staff that he didn't have the loose hips to play corner, so he never really got a chance there. I don't think Charlie Weis, though, looks at it that way. Otherwise, he wouldn't have him returning punts."

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Weis, ND's first-year head coach, didn't have to be convinced about Tom's toughness, either. And Zbikowski, in turn, might have been the first Irish player who embraced Weis' in-your-face style, complete with the brazen language, demands and expectations.
"My dad talks worse than that," Tom said with a smile. "I was talking to (Irish wide receiver) Jeff Samardzija about it, and some of the comments (Weis) said were compliments compared to what we've heard in our time. It was more my personality, more like I've grown up around."
And in that light, toughness wasn't a choice. Ed grew up in a rugged neighborhood on Chicago's west side and it permeates his personality even now.
"Nobody except Johnny Lattner went to Notre Dame," Ed said, referring to ND's Heisman Trophy winner of 1953. "In fact, nobody went to college or really dreamed of it. You worked in a factory after high school or in printing plants. Sports were important, but so was fighting, because you had to fight to get onto the softball field. You had to fight to get onto the basketball court. You had 1,000 kids for one court where I came from."
And Ed and Sue both fought to push their family into suburbia and middle class, working two and three jobs each so they could get their kids into a strong school system.
"My mom's probably the best athlete in the family," Tom said of the former basketball, softball and track star. "She's had a tremendous influence on me."
As did his siblings, Kristen (now 28) and E.J. (now 24).
Kristen was a softball standout at Ohio University, but she wanted to be a boxer.
"Tommy started to box when he was 9 and Kristen was 17. When she found out where Tommy was going to box, she snuck in to learn too," Ed said. "And I'm talking to the guy running the place about how Tommy's coming along, and he tells me how good Kristen is. That's how I found out about it. I said, 'please, stop it.'
"She's a pistol. She should have been a boy. I have more problems with her than I do with my boys. Figure that one out. So Tommy had to be tough, because he had a sister who was a wacko and a brother who went through all kinds of different stuff. No one had to say, 'Tommy, you have to be tough' or 'Tommy you have to dedicate yourself.' It was all laid out in front of him beforehand."

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E.J., which stands for Edmund Joseph, was diagnosed with a brain tumor when he was 5 and toddling Tommy was just learning how to launch food from his high chair.
Seizures came along with the tumor, which prompted the family to take E.J. to the renowned Mayo Clinic. A year later, after the tumor continued to grow and the seizures became worse, E.J. underwent his first operation.
"The tumor was removed," Ed said, "but three years later, it had grown back and we were just beside ourselves."
A second surgery ensued, this one a more daring and untested procedure, but this time the cancer cells never grew back. The seizures, though, lingered for a while. And young E.J. dealt with them while playing sports.
"It wasn't embarrassing for him, but it was not something most people would put up with," Ed said. "He would be out there playing and all of a sudden fall to the ground. People would be like, 'Oh my God, what's going on?' I kept asking E.J., 'Are you sure you still want to do this?' And he was always very sure he wanted to.
"Tommy was young, but he knew what was going on. He always says, 'With what my brother went through, for me to complain about anything, I can't do it.' "

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Overcoming the seizures became inspiration for E.J. Zbikowski to stalk his dreams with unbridled hope. Eventually, the seizures went away, but so did many of the opportunities to play sports on the collegiate level for the 6-foot-5 ball of determination.
He dabbled in football at Winona State and in junior college baseball, showing sparks of greatness in both in relative obscurity, but never experienced the momentous recruiting chase that Tom would later enjoy.
"That's why when ESPN.com approached us about Tommy doing a recruiting diary, we agreed to it -- but on certain conditions," Ed said. "I had two great athletes before Tommy -- E.J. and Kristen -- and they really didn't get the opportunities they should have, because I knew nothing about the process. I blame myself.
"So I said, 'That's never going to happen again.' I talked to the guy at ESPN and told him I wanted this to be a vehicle for other parents to understand the recruiting game. And I wanted it to come from the heart."
Tom's candor, though, sometimes prompted scathing criticism, primarily from sports talk radio callers and Internet message board posters. Even Notre Dame fans recoiled at how lukewarm he seemed to be about his scholarship offer from the school.
"It became a problem, really, because (then-recruiting coordinator) Greg Mattison and Tyrone Willingham kind of soft-played him," Ed said. "They offered him a scholarship, but there wasn't that feeling that you really were wanted. It was like, 'You're our guy, and we want you to come.' Then they'd never call anymore. And yet you'd have (Iowa head coach) Kirk Ferentz sitting in your kitchen, breaking bread with you. It wasn't an easy situation at all."
Nor has been playing for three different defensive backs coaches in three years at ND or injuries suffered last season that Tom played through but never told the media about or the growing pains that come with evolving at his position.
"We know Tommy will make a great play and he'll miss a play," Ed said. "You've got to take the good with the bad, that's the way we've always lived our lives. But he's out there competing, trying to get better. And he's not afraid to take criticism. That's made him the player he is and gives him a chance to keep getting better.
"Hey, as a father you hear that stuff from the talking heads on TV, and it doesn't feel great. But that's their job. They can say what they want. I realize their job isn't to make Ed Zbikowski happy. But Tommy knows his job too.
"In our family, you get knocked down, you better get your ass back up. And that's the one thing no one can ever take away from Tommy."


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TEMPE, Ariz. -- It is more than fitting that Notre Dame and Ohio State clash in the shadow of a city named after a mythical bird that rose from its own ashes.
Two near-perfect strangers. Two fiercely proud football traditions. Two teams with perhaps the two best players in the country not to have been invited to New York for the Heisman Trophy shindig -- Irish quarterback Brady Quinn and Buckeye linebacker A.J. Hawk.
Two teams that mirrored each other's selflessness and overcame a lot to get to this point, but not enough to get them to Pasadena.
"It's kind of the battle of the what-ifs," Quinn said of Monday's Fiesta Bowl matchup between No. 5 Notre Dame (9-2) and No. 4 Ohio State (9-2) at Sun Devil Stadium in the Phoenix suburbs.
"Both teams lost close games to the teams playing in the national championship game by such small margins. And we realize that if we would have won those games, we probably could have been playing each other for the national championship. It's weird to look back at it now, but that's not the reality of it, so we have to deal with the situation that we're in."
And the situation is that No. 2 Texas, a 25-22 survivor in Columbus on Sept. 10, and No. 1 USC, a fortuitous 34-31 victor Oct. 15 in South Bend, will square off in the Rose Bowl Wednesday night to determine this season's national champion.
But it's also just as realistic to think that the winner of Monday's Fiesta tussle will have the inside track on being the preseason No. 1 team for next season and that perhaps both squads could return to the area when the national title game rotates to the new football facility being erected in nearby Glendale, Ariz.
The Irish will likely have more returning starters in 2006, but they also have more to prove Monday. Ohio State provides ND with an opponent that has no holes in its resume.
"Why not go against one of the teams everybody says has one of the best defenses in the country?" Irish offensive tackle Ryan Harris said. "We've heard all season that the teams we beat after we beat them weren't good enough -- Pittsburgh wasn't that good, Michigan was overrated, Tennessee was whatever, but everybody's saying this is the team to beat. This is the defense, so we'll go after them."
Notre Dame goes after Ohio State with a team that a year ago was supposedly too untalented, too boxed in by parochial academic standards and ambitious scheduling, too arrogant to realize it had become irrelevant in the bigger picture of college football to even dream of a BCS berth this decade.
Ohio State, meanwhile, had to find life after the departure of running back Maurice Clarett -- the sparkplug in its 2002 national title run -- who would have been a senior this year had he stayed in school instead of leaving early for an NFL career that now has him on pro football's back roads.
More challenging for Buckeye head coach Jim Tressel was dealing with the residue of that departure, loud and pointed accusations that called into question even Tressel's integrity.
But Ohio State not only lived through it, the Buckeyes became a closer team, a team that seemed to be in direct opposition to Clarett's all-about-me persona.
In fact, Buckeye defensive coordinator Joe Heacock points to the team-first attitude of his unit as the reason OSU went from a middle-of-the-pack Big Ten defense in 2004 to the fourth-best defense statistically in the nation and best against the run.
"To me the most important thing is when I look back on our defense was that they played together as a unit and they gave each other credit," Heacock said. "We didn't have a bunch of individuals out there trying to draw attention to themselves. The focus of this unit was what I think was special with this group."
It will be strength against strength, though, as Notre Dame brings the best passing offense (fourth nationally) Ohio State has seen all season and a scoring offense that can rival Texas' top-ranked unit.
"It's going to be a big chess match," Ohio State safety Donte Whitner said. "Offensively, they don't do a lot of different things than other college teams, but they do a lot of things better than a lot of college teams do."
In every other area, Ohio State seemingly has the statistical advantage -- its improving offense has better relative numbers than Notre Dame's defense. Its quarterback, Troy Smith, and his ability to be a running and passing threat is just the kind of signal-caller that gave the Irish the most problems this year. Its special teams are more consistent and more explosive than ND's.
But Weis has been ND's trump card all season.
"Hey, this game isn't about me," Weis insisted.
Oh, but it so much is about Weis. Perceptually and pragmatically.
"They are complex," Heacock said of the Irish offense, directed and choreographed by Weis. "They do give you a lot of problems, and when you sit down and try to come up with a game plan against them, I think it is difficult. They do so many different things and provide so many different wrinkles, plus from game to game you're not really sure what you're going to get."
"He has coached in so many games like this," ND running back Darius Walker said of Weis, "it really should be natural for him."
"It's funny," Quinn said, "because even with an off week you're really able to see what he's able to do with an extended period of time. And for (Weis) to have a month almost allows you to feel invincible, because he prepares you for every type of situation that you're going to be in out there, and that really allows you to have confidence in every play, no matter what."
But Ohio State is a confident bunch too, and Tressel is a combined 25-7 in Div. I-AA playoff games and bowl games with the Buckeyes. Additionally, it's a team that was playing its best football at the end of the season.
"It still comes down to blocking, tackling and making plays," Heacock said.
But in Notre Dame's case, it also comes down to believing in what is possible, believing in the dream, believing that coaching can make a difference.
"Our goal for the season, regardless of what all the commentators and spectators said, was to win every game," Quinn said. "What keeps us from getting complacent at this point is realizing that you're that close to playing on a game on Jan. 4.
"The funny thing is teams may seem so invincible, teams may seem so good, but when you watch film, you realize everyone's human."


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The ones that got away still haunt Ted Ginn Sr.
Not the games, mind you, but the lives -- lives the head football coach and track coach at Cleveland's Glenville High School touched but couldn't transform.
Instead they disappeared into the abyss of shuddering statistics -- a nation's worst 61 percent high school dropout rate (actually an 11 percent improvement from just a few years ago), active participants in climbing poverty and crime waves, victims not survivors of horrific family situations.
Like Ohio State quarterback Troy Smith almost was.
For as remarkable as his on-field evolution from raw, athletic backup quarterback to the more-polished field general who will lead fourth-ranked Ohio State (9-2) into its Fiesta Bowl matchup with fifth-ranked Notre Dame (9-2) Monday in Tempe, Ariz., has been, the fact that he even made it to Ohio State in the first place is where the real magic happened.
"When he got to Glenville, he was a very bitter kid," said Ginn Sr., who has four other former stars on the current OSU roster, including son Ted Ginn Jr. "Personally, Troy was a kid who I thought had been lied to, used for his talent. He had some things he had to overcome in his family, but he had to be taught how to deal with that. I tried to work with him on that when he was here, and I still work with him on that every day.
"To me coaching is a very simple business. It's not about X's and O's. It's about having the love, passion and understanding for children and wanting what's best for them, wanting them to do great things. I had someone do that for me when I was growing up, but it's needed now more than ever. It's 2005, not the '70s or the '80s. It's needed in sports. It's totally needed in education. This is the only opportunity you have to change someone's life and give them opportunity."
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Smith is staring straight ahead into space, refusing to take off his winter coat and gloves in the well-heated interview room, even more adamantly refusing to have reporters put words in his mouth.
One particular sequence gets replayed over and over for him verbally. How did he evolve into the quarterback of today? A taking to Buckeye head coach Jim Tressel's coaching, perhaps? Something he saw in game film? A newly-found belief in the offensive system?
"I guess it's called talent," he said.
And your impressions of Notre Dame's defense?
"I don't want to give that away."
And are these the kind of statistical goals you set for yourself at the start of the season?
"No. I don't set those kinds of goals. My goals were to lead this team to the national championship and be the best quarterback I could be at the end of the season."
And how does it feel to be in this situation after what happened last year?
"I don't think about what happened last year. That's in the past."
Every once in a while, though, the past burps itself up and Smith has to deal with it anyway.
He was charged in 2003, for instance, for his part in a fight, suspended for last year's Alamo Bowl game and this year's season opener against Miami (Ohio) for taking $500 from a booster. He has persistently tested Tressel's patience by what he considered little things, like leaving practice early without permission to attend a camp or -- for the better part of his career -- going through the motions when it came to film study.
"A lot of times you have to break kids of their Pop Warner mentality in high school," Ginn Sr. said. "Sometimes when they go to college, you have to break them of it all over again. I think sometimes he didn't understand the total picture. That's why kids need adults, need mentors -- lots of them. It's not all about talent, it's about everything else. It's about how you carry yourself and see things from a mature standpoint. I think Troy is making strides that way."
Ginn Sr., also helped Smith make strides with his talent. It started in the film room after Ohio State's 17-10 loss at Penn State on Oct. 8 dropped the Buckeyes to 3-2. Up until that point, Smith only took cursory looks at OSU opponents -- if that.
Ginn Sr., affected the change by telling Smith he should transfer to a school that ran the wishbone, that he could be a great running quarterback there, a great college quarterback -- but with no chance of ever playing in the NFL.
"That got him thinking," Ginn Sr., said. "I told him you have to use your feet and your arm and your brain. You have to learn your craft if you want people to see you as a quarterback and not as an athlete. Things happen in a split second. You have to be able to make decisions. I know Tress had been talking to him about this for a long time. I had too. But it finally got through to him. That's the thing, you never give up on young people."
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Ted Ginn Sr., was never afraid to think out of the box, or speak out of it, or live out of it.
He not only refuses to separate church and state, he acts as if there isn't even a line there.
One Sunday in late November, for example, during Glenville's most recent state football playoff run, he took nine players to be baptized at a local church.
"There's one man in charge," Ginn Sr., said, "and that's the Lord, Jesus Christ. You have to have faith."
The Fellowship of Christian Athletes has been the cornerstone of his movement that together with some initiatives from Cleveland mayor Jane Campbell and a $2 million grant from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation have poked large holes in the hopelessness that once ruled a Cleveland public school system in which janitors' salaries dwarfed teachers' and where superintendents and board members had the longevity of moths.
Ginn Sr., does it more by posturing than by preaching. He does it by providing a consistent role model rather than spewing scripture. He does it by showing the places God has made a difference in his life, not just talking about how it might affect theirs.
"You have to get kids to trust you," Ginn Sr., said. "You have to get them to believe in you and have a vision and build a foundation, because the average kid, they don't have a great foundation. They don't have a vision. They don't have a purpose. So you give them a purpose. Kids are looking for that structure. They're looking for that love and passion. I just wish I had more help. But I know the Lord isn't going to give me any more than I can handle."
*** Ginn Sr. laughed when people told him Smith was silly for signing with Ohio State almost four years ago in a recruiting class that included Justin Zwick.
With the exception of Tom Lemming, most recruiting analysts projected Zwick as the golden boy in a QB crop that included Texas' Vince Young, Virginia Tech's Marcus Vick, UCLA's Drew Olson and Texas A&M's Reggie McNeal.
He was Art Schlichter without the veiled addiction. He was from one of the most storied programs in all of high school football, Massillon (Ohio) Washington. He was the kind of quarterback that could win big games, not just make few enough mistakes not to lose them.
His recruiting hype was so strong it opened the mind of a suburban Columbus standout in the next class of quarterbacks, Brady Quinn, to consider landing at Notre Dame or Michigan instead of a few miles down U.S. Route 33. And it was also so potent Smith was deemed an afterthought, becoming the last player and perhaps least celebrated to sign in the winter of 2002, with the thought he might be switched to another position eventually.
"I probably believed in him more than he did," Ginn Sr., said of Smith. "And I was never going to quit on him."
Ginn Sr., had seen others give up on his own son when Ted Jr., was in elementary and middle school. The younger Ginn failed the first grade, in fact, and was told by his fifth-grade teacher he was destined to be nothing more than a "burger-flipper."
In middle school, he struggled every semester to be academically eligible for sports until Ginn Sr., demanded he be tested. As it turned out, he had some special needs and all that was required was some tutoring and restructuring.
He ended up graduating in the top 10 percent of his class and earned a perfect 4.0 in the final grading period of high school.
That's why Ginn Sr., invests so much in Smith and others like him. He knows what is possible.
Smith's possibilities began to take a tangible form at Ohio State last season, when the Buckeyes were 3-3 with Zwick as a starter and the prodigy suffered a shoulder injury. Smith came on to finish the regular season 4-1, including a 37-21 waxing of Michigan.
In that game he accounted for 386 total yards -- the most ever by a Buckeye in its border war with OSU's arch-rival and the third-highest total overall. He came back with 337 yards in this year's Michigan game, including a career-high 300 passing yards in the 25-21 Buckeye victory.
"There was never a doubt in my mind that someday I'd get my opportunity at quarterback," Smith said. "Until then, I just tried to go with the flow and help out any way I could. But this (being the starting quarterback) is the role they've chosen for me now. I'm trying to perfect it as much as I can."
With a little help from his past.
"Troy had a lot to overcome in his life," Ginn Sr., said. "The ones you lose, and there's not a lot of them, are the ones where the structure of their life or the structure at home or there's some kind of shortcoming somewhere that they can't get past, and that's what puts them at risk.
"Even kids in private schools, even kids with 3.5 GPAs, even kids with money become at risk, because they get in situations where nobody's willing to push them. It starts with our education system. Education isn't a part of life. It is life. People say someday we're going to have to do things different, because this is coming, that's coming. Well guess what? It's here. Now is the time to give our kids what they need. Every last one of them."


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Good read, thanks ND Chief...nice to see a good article from behind enemy lines :)
 
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On ESPN's college gameday preview before the Minnesota-Virginia bowl game, Holtz just said that ND will put up at least 30 points against us in the Fiesta Bowl. Also, when Mark May said that AJ will sack Quinn at least two times, Holtz laughed like it was the most ridiculous thing he's ever heard. What a homer.
 
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On ESPN's college gameday preview before the Minnesota-Virginia bowl game, Holtz just said that ND will put up at least 30 points against us in the Fiesta Bowl. Also, when Mark May said that AJ will sack Quinn at least two times, Holtz laughed like it was the most ridiculous thing he's ever heard. What a homer.

This whole thing is driving me nuts. You mean I have to root for May to be right?
 
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On ESPN's college gameday preview before the Minnesota-Virginia bowl game, Holtz just said that ND will put up at least 30 points against us in the Fiesta Bowl. Also, when Mark May said that AJ will sack Quinn at least two times, Holtz laughed like it was the most ridiculous thing he's ever heard. What a homer.

Its ridiculous how Kirk is thought of as such a homer, when you have old-ass Lou Holtz making comments suggesting that the Irish will take over the world by 2009.
 
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