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OceanGate CEO said Titan built with old Boeing material: would-be passenger

Arnie Weissmann said OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush told him he sourced the Titan's carbon fiber, which was too old "for use in airplanes," from Boeing.
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  • Arnie Weissmann, the editor in chief of Travel Weekly, said he was set to travel on the Titan sub.
  • After weather prevented it, he voiced concern over where OceanGate's CEO said he sourced materials from.
  • He said Rush told him he got carbon fiber to build the sub at a "big discount from Boeing."
A writer who said he was set to travel on the doomed Titan submersible said OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush told him that for the vessel's hull, the company used cut-price Boeing carbon fiber that was past its airplane shelf life.The stunning claim came in a series of articles by Travel Weekly's editor in chief, Arnie Weissmann, who this week chronicled his experiences with the deep-sea-diving company.Weissmann wrote that he was due to board the Titan to view the Titanic in May but the trip was stopped by weather. In fact, just a couple of weeks stood between his would-be voyage and the trip that ended in tragedy this week when the vessel imploded, killing all five on board, he wrote.In general, he said, he was impressed by "what appeared to be a risk-averse operation."
But one thing concerned him, he wrote.

Rush told Weissmann that "he had gotten the carbon fiber used to make the Titan at a big discount from Boeing because it was past its shelf life for use in airplanes," Weissmann wrote.

In his recollection, he asked Rush whether that was a problem, but he said he was told that the shelf-life dates "were set far before they had to be."

OceanGate declined to comment on Weissmann's claims. Boeing initially declined to comment, but later said the company "has found no record of any sale of composite material to OceanGate or its CEO."
Insider was unable to independently verify the source of the Titan's carbon fiber.

OceanGate's website previously claimed that the vessel was designed and engineered "in collaboration" with Boeing.

Boeing has denied any involvement in the design of the Titan.

Much remains unknown about the circumstances of the disaster, including what could have caused the vessel to implode. The US Coast Guard said Thursday that debris found at the scene was "consistent with catastrophic loss of the pressure chamber."
The Titan's experimental carbon-fiber hull has become a subject of discussion since the vessel went missing.

Rush previously touted the cost-saving benefits of carbon fiber versus the standard titanium and claimed in a 2021 presentation that "carbon fiber is three times better on a strength-to-buoyancy basis than titanium."

"And underwater, that's what you care about," he added.

A 2017 CompositesWorld report said the initial carbon-fiber hull design was prepared on just a six-week deadline, though GeekWire reported the vessel was rebuilt later.
Before the tragic trip, Rush publicly discussed taking risks to pursue what he called "innovation," saying in 2021 that he knew he had "broken some rules" by using a carbon-fiber hull for the vessel.

For his part, Weissmann described Rush as being "somewhat cocky" but said that Rush had earned the right to be like that.

Reflecting on the question of the source of the carbon fiber, Weissmann wrote: "It is a conversation I have thought about a great deal over the past week."
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5 STAR U-G-A said:
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Says the guy whose microscopic dust and ash are feeding plankton right now.

I'm glad that the other four had the most instantaneous and painless death possible, especially the 19 year old kid who was scared shitless and was just there to please his billionaire father. As for Stockton Rush, I am deeply grieved that he didn't float down to the bottom and go through the mind shattering horror of waiting for the oxygen to run out while constantly waiting for your victims to strangle you to death in the hope that it would give them a bit more time.
 
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Captain Buckeye said:
Frankly all the people screeching "oh I complained about the safety before" should shut the fuck up too.

Maybe do something drastic then and tell an authority or inquire on who to contact directly to make sure no passengers are taken on tours.

If it was so wildly unsafe then why were so many so quiet until it was too late?
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Quiet....and seemingly ready to get in anyways.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
It's a human emotion thing, not a logic thing.
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Jaxbuck said:
Some people are thrill seekers. It's one of those things that you either are, or you are not. If it was safe, they wouldn't pay to do it.

It's a human emotion thing, not a logic thing.
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It is most often researched in the literarure as 'high optimum stimulation level' or 'high sensation seeking'. It varies by degree in everyone and is biosocial in origin. Thus, related to genes and learning. A person with a genetic predisposition to high optimum stimulation level may still exhibit risk-averse behavior due to a process of personal and social learning in life.
 
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