Thank you. You didn't save me from going back and looking at the drive chart, but you saved me from having to re-live that play by play while I tried to explain something that shouldn't have to be explained.
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Nope, the offense stunk up the joint, but the defense blew the game. As opposed to the MSU game this year, where the defense played as good as could be expected, but the offense didn't do anything.
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As many times as Urban has said that the off. plays goes thru him, and as often as we are reminded that it is his system, why is he immune to this criticism ? As often as Urban has said that our off. line coach is also co-off. coordinator, why is this all falling on Beck? Why is Urban not taking the weight off of the off. coordinator that he hired?
I can't be the only one who remembers all of the FireHerman, FireFickell, etc. that has been out there.
I can't be the only one who remembers all of the FireHerman, FireFickell, etc. that has been out there.
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Urban is somewhat immune because he has a ridiculously good head coaching record. But you are correct, some of it is on him. Regardless something was off this year, and Beck is basically the main new element. So it is natural for the criticism to be directed at him.
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And by saying we lost the game because of the defense also means we were beating by an offensive genius in his first year as OC at Nebraska.
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Poe McKnoe
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Hey by the way, has anyone mentioned Steve Addazio? Because he turned out okay. But he sucked as Urban's OC. Soooooo...there's hope?
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Do we really need to dive into why Urban gets a free pass?
Or Warinner for that matter?
Some pieces to the puzzle....
- Not everyone wanted Herman fired, I didn't - though I did think he needed to take another step up to elite, and he did
- Not everyone wanted Fickell fired... though I admit I wanted to see some kind of change after 2013, and that was resolved with Withers
- There's no comparison here to Herman imo. It wasn't just 1 game, it was an entire season. And he's not only failed as a playcaller, but as a position coach.
- There is some comparison to Fickell, but nobody really knew who was to blame there and it was resolved by letting go of a guy. We know which guy is the problem this time.
- QBs regressed big time, QB coach is... Tim Beck
- As much as the offense is Urban's, he's delegated playcalling the entire time he's been here... playcalling was terrible the entire year... not just 1 game... Tim Beck
- Two standup players who have been nothing but a class act essentially called Beck out after 2 different games... does not bode well for his future here. When he's even lost the locker room, looks like a lame duck coach imo.
- As much as I gave him the benefit of the doubt (and Alex can attest to this), at the end of the day the similarities between what Nebraska fans saw and what we saw this year are very consistent
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Just a thought.....maybe all the offensive woes this year wasn't all Beck's fault.
Urban once said that he wants an "angry blue collar team".
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/96846/meyer-wants-angry-blue-collar-team
I don't think that this team (up to the scUM game) was an angry team. Obviously the Buckeyes didn't play anyways near their potential up to and through the first 11 games, and I don't necessarily think it was all the fault of the play calling. The team may have had too good of "team chemistry" and 2 starting QBs probably didn't help either. I contend that just maybe the team got too relaxed reading their press clippings, tweeting, poor execution of the called plays, and/or planning for next year's NFL draft. They got better real quick during the scUM game which I think it was primarily due to the fact that they became the "angry team" that Urban was looking for after getting what was basically an ass kicking in the Sparty game. Yeah, Warriner gets a lot of credit for calling the plays, but to some extent he may have just been in the right place at the right time.
Urban once said that he wants an "angry blue collar team".
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/96846/meyer-wants-angry-blue-collar-team
I don't think that this team (up to the scUM game) was an angry team. Obviously the Buckeyes didn't play anyways near their potential up to and through the first 11 games, and I don't necessarily think it was all the fault of the play calling. The team may have had too good of "team chemistry" and 2 starting QBs probably didn't help either. I contend that just maybe the team got too relaxed reading their press clippings, tweeting, poor execution of the called plays, and/or planning for next year's NFL draft. They got better real quick during the scUM game which I think it was primarily due to the fact that they became the "angry team" that Urban was looking for after getting what was basically an ass kicking in the Sparty game. Yeah, Warriner gets a lot of credit for calling the plays, but to some extent he may have just been in the right place at the right time.
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I don't know how much of that I believe. It is probably part of it, but it doesn't explain the lack of adjustments, and the lack of giving Zeke the ball against MSU. Sure, MSU is better than people were giving them credit for, but I saw no adjustments by the staff for dealing with the style of defense that MSU was playing.
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Neb. fans? They don't like anything. It doesn't matter. Urban can't slide, and neither can our off. line coach. Compared to the 2nd half of last year, our off. line play was average at best until scUM.
The fact is, nobody and everybody is to blame. I'm not defending anyone here, or blaming anyone. But one thing I know. When things go wrong, in anything in life, it's usually not the fault of the very lowest man on the totum pole.
The fact is, nobody and everybody is to blame. I'm not defending anyone here, or blaming anyone. But one thing I know. When things go wrong, in anything in life, it's usually not the fault of the very lowest man on the totum pole.
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Buckeye86
I do not choose to discuss it
It is clearly partially Meyer's fault for failing to see the MSU train wreck coming a mile away based on the consistent underachieving by the offense all season and preemptively make the adjustments needed to avoid it.
It is also Meyer's fault for allowing Warinner to bring in his old friend with a questionable track record instead of searching for a young dynamic offensive mind to replace Herman. Clearly, Warinner shares blame there as well.
It will become much more Meyer's fault if he doesn't replace Beck this offseason given the clear evidence that hiring him significantly set the offense back.
It is also Meyer's fault for allowing Warinner to bring in his old friend with a questionable track record instead of searching for a young dynamic offensive mind to replace Herman. Clearly, Warinner shares blame there as well.
It will become much more Meyer's fault if he doesn't replace Beck this offseason given the clear evidence that hiring him significantly set the offense back.
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