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You know what?
A firetimbeck.com site is just so 2000
we have the skill, experience and love for OSU on this site to do it right
I propose we build a "why tim beck should be your next coach" site. I mean make it so he gets a Nobel Prize for the over the top pimping we do for him.
Seriously. Lets do this.
A firetimbeck.com site is just so 2000
we have the skill, experience and love for OSU on this site to do it right
I propose we build a "why tim beck should be your next coach" site. I mean make it so he gets a Nobel Prize for the over the top pimping we do for him.
Seriously. Lets do this.
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X Buckeyes07 X
Heisman
I'm a software engineer. I was disappointed to find that firetimbeck.com was already taken the night of the Michigan State game, but I'm happy to report that hiretimbeck.com was available when I searched after reading this, and I'm now the proud owner. Thanks for the inspiration - will get to work on it this week. Content suggestions welcome from anyone and everyone!
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The more I think about this, the more disappointed I become in Meyer and Warinner over how everything went. Beck is what he is, and he can't help it. Meyer and Warinner are the ones who sought him out in the first place, and then early in the season when the playcaller-on-the-sideline setup wasn't working, instead of having Warinner do his most important in-game job duty in the proper manner, it was handed off to the half-witted Beck. Beck isn't the reason the season went the way it did - it was the indecision and half-measures by Meyer and Warinner that did that.
This isn't isn't meant to indicate a change in my overall opinion on Meyer or Warinner - it's simply an evaluation of what didn't work this past season. It's something they need to learn from and figure out a way to fix going forward.
For Meyer, I hope he now has a better understanding of what "alignment" needs to for composing his staff. Alignment shouldn't mean that they guy you hire has worked well with somebody else on the staff at some point in the past. It needs to mean that they share a philosophy and approach with the head coach, so that everybody is pulling in the same direction. The problems with play calling and the offense's overall identity crisis in shifting between pro-style and zone-read concepts are evidence that alignment was not achieved with this season's setup.
For Warinner I think it means that if he and the head coach feel that his dual roles are mutually exclusive, that he needs to decide which one he wants to focus on, give that his full attention, and allow for the opportunity to hire a person to take care of those duties that he can't complete. If being the lead OC and playcaller means he can't give the OL the attention it needs, then this team needs a new OL coach. If he'd rather coach the OL and can't be the lead OC without compromises, then the team needs a new OC and playcaller.
It think both are fantastic coaches. I'm confident they will make the proper adjustments and get things sorted out.
This isn't isn't meant to indicate a change in my overall opinion on Meyer or Warinner - it's simply an evaluation of what didn't work this past season. It's something they need to learn from and figure out a way to fix going forward.
For Meyer, I hope he now has a better understanding of what "alignment" needs to for composing his staff. Alignment shouldn't mean that they guy you hire has worked well with somebody else on the staff at some point in the past. It needs to mean that they share a philosophy and approach with the head coach, so that everybody is pulling in the same direction. The problems with play calling and the offense's overall identity crisis in shifting between pro-style and zone-read concepts are evidence that alignment was not achieved with this season's setup.
For Warinner I think it means that if he and the head coach feel that his dual roles are mutually exclusive, that he needs to decide which one he wants to focus on, give that his full attention, and allow for the opportunity to hire a person to take care of those duties that he can't complete. If being the lead OC and playcaller means he can't give the OL the attention it needs, then this team needs a new OL coach. If he'd rather coach the OL and can't be the lead OC without compromises, then the team needs a new OC and playcaller.
It think both are fantastic coaches. I'm confident they will make the proper adjustments and get things sorted out.
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buckeyesin07
Veni. Vidi. Vici.
A lot of good stuff here. I'd argue that the problem wasn't handing something off to Beck, though. The problem was bringing him to Ohio State in the first place.
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While I am a firm believer that Beck should go, I don't think we should underestimate how much of our offensive problems were because the staff, Urban included, did not commit to 1 style of play but switched between what Cardale could do well and what JT could do well. Next year QB play will be better because JT will begin the year as the starter. Of course it will have to be better because we lose many of our 1st offense starters.
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If we didn't have the constant of Urban Meyer's track record at 4 different schools and god only knows how many OC's to compare I might agree with you.
2013 people were calling for DC's head after a season of under achievement. One of the two left and the defense was fixed shortly thereafter.
I get the anti-scapegoating sentiment but I'd stick with the conclusion that requires the fewest assumptions here.
Offense was good, added new guy then offense wasn't so good. New guy's input was changed for last game and offense was good again.
I'm going with the issue being the new guy.
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Abenaki
Ohio against the world.
I don't think he was responsible for the entire underperformance. I think Urban should shoulder some of the blame as well, for the QB shuffle and not making some kind of change to the system earlier than after the MSU game. Ultimately, everything that happens in this program, good and bad, lies at his feet.
That being said, I have to agree with @Jaxbuck and @buckeyesin07. Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.
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I'd argue it's primarily an Urban problem (and not just in an ultimate responsibility sort of way). The difference is I expect him to fix it this offseason.
I'd say that speaks to the same weakness and lack of consistency for what they were trying to do. Now unlike that hodgepodge defense, these 3 all have compatible backgrounds in offensive schemes, but then they tried to run something none of them understood well.
The offense was heavily criticized for 2.5 years until October 2014. Obviously it was better than this one but the same limitations and flaws were present there. I haven't watched Houston religiously but I'd be curious to hear if Herman tightened up and ran tresselball when things became difficult.
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kippy1040
Hall of Fame
When I heard that Warriner and Beck were both up in the booth, I sort of wondered if that was a good Idea by Urban. Then I kind of got the gest of what he was doing. If there was a difference of play calling, then it was "Two heads are better than one, in Urbans eyes. Herman goes to Houston and now we lose Chris Ashe to Rutgers. Urban has a lot to deal with for the 2016 season. I think that all things will turn out to be Okay.
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Maybe we will always have some sort of rotating coordinator dissonance under Urban. Call it the price you pay for being a success factory I guess.
I don't think any of these guys just get stupid when they get here or that these kids suddenly become lesser players. I see it all the time in my world, the combination of great people sometimes doesn't equal a greater result.
I do think all the indicators we have to go from (obviously conceding some significant room for error here) point to Beck being the sour note in the symphony.
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