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Things that I think, and some that I don't.

Clarity

Will Bryant
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Without regard to where 'you' stand re: JT's punishment and standing:

  • It's March, we have the #1 team in Men's Basketball. We just won the regular season title outright, and have a pretty good looking path to the conference championship. We have amazing seniors in Lighty, Diebler, Lauderdale, and Days, who only have a handful of games left in their careers as Buckeyes (and perhaps the same may hold true for guys like Buford and the Mayor -- but we'll all continue to hope not). As frustrating and (pending NCAA resolution) relatively damaging and hurtful the football stuff is, it's still basketball season and there's still a metric shit-ton (that's a scientific term) to be excited about.
  • The punishment announced by the university tonight is a suggestion. The NCAA is a standalone independent watchdog of sorts (with value and integrity wide open to debate, but that's another issue). If JT deserves a harsher punishment, we can be uncomfortably confident he will draw just that. We can (and no one should feel warned against doing so) debate the proper penalty all we want, we just don't yet know what he (and we) will actually have to pay for this mistake.
  • As important and influential as JT is, he isn't the program personified (long term; one could certainly argue he is at least in terms of national perception in the short term). One can remain proud to be a Buckeye, and still be (supportive of/angry at) the man with the keys to the car. What's most important, above all things, is that we don't allow this to be divisive within our own community. People respond to adversity in different ways; let's all continue to take deep breaths (and govern ourselves accordingly, you have one week!) before posting -- as everyone already has!
  • We're about to move to [strike]a new server[/strike] two new blindingly fast servers. Faster BP! That's got to be worth something.
  • No one is perfect, no matter how hard they may try to be (I can't speak to how hard JT or anyone else but myself tries). We want Smith to know better than to take a little money. We want Obie to "do what's right" and not violate rules to help one of his players. We want Clarett to listen to himself and not those around him. We want guys to know and follow NCAA guidelines to the letter, even if/when those guidelines make as little sense to us as they do them (not specific commentary, just being all-inclusive). We want players who are elevated to dizzying heights of popularity and notoriety out of HS because of the money-driven hype around recruiting to come back down to Earth and make good decisions when they get to OSU. We want our coach to err on the side of caution when it comes to the program, even if that runs contrary to his interests when it comes to the kids that play for him and the high expectations of the fans and himself when it comes to the success of the program. To err is, indeed, human -- and all of these people are just that, no matter how huge they may seem on any given Saturday afternoon. Not saying anyone should write off the mistakes, or chalk them up as an inevitable byproduct of the sport; just saying that we can always hope to be better, as a program and university, after each and every mistake because they can and will happen.
  • Haters are gonna hate. They've got some stones to throw. The easy retort is always something like "this happens at every program" -- the closer-to-'right' one is probably something more like "we expect more and better of ourselves at Ohio State." Don't sweat the trolls. Don't feel like you have to defend yourself or the program as an extension of yourself to others. You don't owe them anything. Trolls don't reason, they just troll. If YOU know we're better than this, if (and that's for you to decide for yourself) you believe our coaches and players know that -- then who or what else matters?
  • The Buckeyes will be the Buckeyes after TP goes pro, after JT moves on, after the next coach passes the baton to the one after that. We're bigger than this. The same way USC is bigger than the punishments they're facing. The same way Auburn is bigger than what they may face if the Newton thing ever blows up. You don't have to be a fan of the 'now' to be a fan of the Buckeyes. This will pass.
  • Get it all off your chests, then let's do our best to shelf it until (a) the NCAA responds, or (b) the tourney is over and football is staring us in the face. Lighty, Diebler, Sullinger, Craft, Buford, Lauderdale, Thomas, and Matta (with all due respect to Days, Sibert, Smith, Kecman, and Ravenel) -- that's where we are, and the view is pretty. There's no point in allowing problems with one sport taint our enjoyment of the other.

These are, of course, just my opinions and hopes, as they relate to the situation (as it relates to our little site here). They are by no means directives or rules. BP is going to be BP (which is to say I think we have awesome mods/admins *and* posters), and that in of itself is a good thing, I think.

Apologies for adding another thread to the discussion. I think the (to paraphrase) "we're in"/"we're not in" threads have as much a place as the actual discussion thread itself. I didn't want to respond in both, nor did I want to pollute the specifics of the main thread with broader-field-of-vision stuff like this. In time, all of these threads will probably find a special home somewhere in the archives of the site. I think we're all looking forward to a point where this is a historical discussion.
 
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Couldn't've said it better myself, Clarity. I just read the news today (I've been out of town and 'unplugged') and the only words that have come to my mind are 'shit' and 'fuck'.

You're much more eloquent. :p

:osu: :gobucks3::gobucks4:
 
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If I may be so bold

If I may be so bold to add to this very excellent, reasonable, responsible and well-written post, I would say:

While the debate rages over who is to 'blame' for the current issue at OSU and what to do about it, let's be aware of our own responsibility in these things.

We put such an enormous amount of pressure on our coaches to win, win big and win now, that it is a genuine marvel that any sane man would willingly subject himself to it.

Our demands are often so unreasonable, so out of touch with reality and so immediate, that it is a wonder to me that any coach anywhere keeps his integrity and sanity intact.

There is a sizable percentage of college football fans of every school that don't care about anything but winning. The internet has given them voice and power. The kinds of conversations that used to be limited to barber shops and coffee shops with a few friends and acquaintances now have a world-wide audience. They are loud, they are persistent and they cannot be reasoned with.

There is also the type of fan who will do anything to get close to the program, its coaches and its players, and will behave selfishly in doing so - putting the very thing they love so much at risk. Well-meaning but misguided boosters, agents and hustlers, even family members who genuinely want nothing but the best for players, coaches and programs do very stupid and selfish things, justifying them as 'helping'.

I guess what I'm saying is that we, the collective college football fans, have a responsibility to our programs to try and keep perspective and sane about our expectations and to try and moderate the kind of pressure we put on the men we pay so handsomely to run them.

Because ultimately, we have just as much responsibility for any scandal de jour as the players, coaches and administrators.
 
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Buckeyes, we live in a world that has expectations, and those expectations have to be met by men who coach our team. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Mili? Tressel has a greater responsibility than we could possibly fathom. We weep for ethics, and we curse the violators. We have that luxury. We have the luxury of not knowing what Tressel knows. That the breach of ethics and rules, while tragic, probably saved our season. And his existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to some, saves football for us. We don't want the truth because deep down in places we don't talk about at parties, we want Tressel coaching our team, we need Tressel coaching our team. He uses words like honor, code, loyalty. He uses these words as the backbone of a life spent trying to win games. We use them as a punchline. He has neither the time nor the inclination to explain himself to we who rise and sleep under the blanket of the very football program and its success that he provides, and then we question the manner in which he provides it. He would rather we just said thank you, and we went on our way, Otherwise, he may suggest we coach the team ourselves. Either way, he doesn't give a damn what we think we are entitled to.
 
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I wasn't sure where to post this, but it seemed like trying to piggyback on Clarity's wisdom is never a bad place to start...

I want to give props to members like Gator, Smoov, Woof and others who are fans of "visiting" teams on the board for hanging in there and continuing to try and help us maintain some outside perspective through this suspension thing.

To do what they've done, to stand their ground (even in the face of an occasional attack) and offer challenging views takes a tremendous amount of courage and tact. I'd be hard-pressed to pull that off as these friends have. These are rare things, much moreso on the internet where it's easy to hide behind anonymity.

For the "home" fans on this board to give these folks the space and the respect to share their views and add to the conversation and to engage them in a constructive manner takes humility and self-awareness. Also rare things these days.

This is why we call this a community and it's what makes that sense a very real and amazing thing. We should feel fortunate and proud to be a part of this. I know that's how I feel...
 
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shetuck;1886693; said:
For the "home" fans on this board to give these folks the space and the respect to share their views and add to the conversation and to engage them in a constructive manner takes humility and self-awareness. Also rare things these days.
Actually, almost unheard of anywhere else. Certainly not this way on my own teams boards. Kudos to BP.
 
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