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calibuck
Too soon old, too late smart
Hey folks, does anyone know what the 2022 situation may be for the MBA program? Daughter is planning on attending in August, and is worried that it's going to be a remote learning situation. She's paying her own way, and doesn't want to spend the kind of money for tuition to not interact with the professors and students. Back when I got mine, there were indeed some 'lecture' classes, but many/most required some sort of teaming among students for casework, etc. Hard to fathom one could get an engineering, doctoral, dental, MBA degree(s) without the interconnection with teachers and students. Any firsthand knowledge, and/or point me towards an OSU web site would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. PS, never went to the main library, always the business library next to Hagerty. Did however go when daughter toured OSU campus prior to her undergrad selection. Wow, same building shell, but vastly different (and muchly improved) inside. PSS, Steve, Miami University's stacks were deep in the basement, and caught many a nap there. I was the best rested C student on campus!
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
You may want to sign up for this (apparently they will answer your specific questions):
Full-Time MBA Application Workshop Webinar (ET)
Fisher's Graduate Programs Office is hosting a LIVE application workshop webinar via Zoom for anyone interested in applying to Ohio State's Full-Time MBA program. During the 30-minute webinar, you'll hear an overview of the Full-Time MBA admissions process AND have a chance to ask your last-minute questions directly to the admissions staff during a Q&A. The admissions team is happy to help you improve your application before hitting submit.
- Wednesday, February 9, 2022, 12:30 p.m. (online event) | Register
- Wednesday, April 20, 2022, 12:30 p.m. (online event) | Register
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The KSB
4-4-11/11-5-11
I did mine at Boston University, not Ohio State so take or leave what I have to say. I did the majority of mine online. To be honest, with the collaborative tools available now I found it to be very interactive. In some ways it was better than in person. Each class had live lectures twice a week. The bonus was that the lectures were recorded and could be accessed for the duration of the semester. There was an entire suite of collaborative tools available. The professors had regular office hours that could be accessed via zoom, either publicly or privately. The facilitators/ grad assistants were all accessible. We were given Zoom accounts that we could use for team meetings. Final exams were live proctored. Online learning has evolved. I don't believe there was any drop in quality when BU switched to online only. I suspect Ohio State would provide a similar experience. If your daughter is worried that she will wind up with some kind of "University of Phoenix" diploma mill type of experience I doubt that would happen.
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The MBA is an applied degree, which I have taught on for more than 20 years. The best MBA degrees bring multiple pedagogical approaches. Often, this means that classes will combine readings with challenging class discussions, individual work, and group work. There are huge differences between MBAs across universities. My opinion is that about 60% of the learning in the best MBAs is not happening in "lectures" but rather during in-person case study discussions, research, and group work. In South Africa, the leading schools require 5-10 years of management experience and the average student is about 33. In Europe it is about the same. US schools vary, but many allow students to move almost immediately from undergrad degrees to the MBA, which I think yields far less valuable learning in class discussions. This HBR article from a Northwestern B school career person talks more to those kinds of students (https://hbr.org/2020/12/is-an-mba-degree-really-worth-it). That said, the online teaching environment yields far, far less learning than blended learning approaches with in-person and online teaching. There is nothing less inspiring for a teacher than a screen of students with their cameras off. My experience across schools in the US, Europe, India, and South Africa is that there is a tremendous drop off in average learning across an entire class when classes are entirely online. I think employers understand that (e.g., University of Phoenix MBA vs more traditional MBA programs in leading schools). However, blended learning approaches with in-person and distance online learning can be very good too. Hope that helps.
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BuckBackHome
Wolverine is largest member of weasel family
Do the MBA students still wear suits to class? They did a million years ago when I was at OSU.
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The KSB
4-4-11/11-5-11
You're not wrong. You can't swing a cat without hitting a half dozen MBA's. If you're looking for something to set your resume apart from the rest of the stack, getting an MBA isn't going to do it. The value is in the education. I did my undergrad in STEM. After about ten years as a field artillery officer, I switched over to being an acquisition officer, sort of the business side of the military. I developed and procured systems for the Army. I was doing pretty good and thought I knew my stuff. Doing my grad work in business made me twice the shill for the military industrial complex that I had been. Now as a civilian merchant of death, barely a day goes by that I'm not referring back to one of my texts for one reason or another.
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calibuck
Too soon old, too late smart
Thanks all. I feel better, and I am trying to get my head around the metamorphasis of the 'traditional' MBA program versus the new/Covid one. Agree with Thump about the dime-a-dozen thing, as the MBA is akin to what the undergraduate degree was 30-40 years ago. Gotta have one to get into the game. Probably Newsweek will start an on-line vs in person MBA listing/comparison. Steve's applied approach is what most of us oldies are used to, and glad to see it's still that way in (most places?). In the 'day' the hiring agents looked at the quality of the school, 'assuming' the quality of the teaching/instructors/professors was as top notch as the students admitted. Can only assume that's the same today.
Will pass on to daughter-dear the various viewpoints opined. She wants to get into sports management, preferably women's soccer (cannot fathom why, but she loves it), and up until last year, tOSU offered that major as well as internships with teams. Wholeheartedly agree that some courses could be easily adapted to online teaching, but most require interaction with other students, and as Steve pointed out, good class discussions, where (to me at least) the best learning occurs. Having practitioners in front of the class rather than PhDs who have never punched a time clock in their life has more merit to me.
Remember a marketing class, where the professor said, "this is the way it is" in the real world. When questioned, 'were did you work', he could only stammer, I was a consultant at Armour. Well, that's not like having to interact with people on a daily basis, and having not to piss off people to keep your job.....anyway, any more thoughts are truly welcomed. Also, during my MBA years, after an Operations test, asked a fellow student (undergrad right into MBA), what they learned, they responded, "I don't know but I got an A". Now, schools are requiring (?) at least four years of experience before acceptance.
Go Bucks!
Will pass on to daughter-dear the various viewpoints opined. She wants to get into sports management, preferably women's soccer (cannot fathom why, but she loves it), and up until last year, tOSU offered that major as well as internships with teams. Wholeheartedly agree that some courses could be easily adapted to online teaching, but most require interaction with other students, and as Steve pointed out, good class discussions, where (to me at least) the best learning occurs. Having practitioners in front of the class rather than PhDs who have never punched a time clock in their life has more merit to me.
Remember a marketing class, where the professor said, "this is the way it is" in the real world. When questioned, 'were did you work', he could only stammer, I was a consultant at Armour. Well, that's not like having to interact with people on a daily basis, and having not to piss off people to keep your job.....anyway, any more thoughts are truly welcomed. Also, during my MBA years, after an Operations test, asked a fellow student (undergrad right into MBA), what they learned, they responded, "I don't know but I got an A". Now, schools are requiring (?) at least four years of experience before acceptance.
Go Bucks!
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Personally, I find it absolutely ridiculous that someone wants to get an undergraduate or post graduate degree in business just to trade their time for money like everyone else. Not necessarily the first day after graduation, but if you're short term goal isn't to run your own business, you'd be better off in another field or with a more specialized degree.
From the article Steve posted above, I had a good chuckle at this doozy, "The average salary for graduates from top schools is typically in the six figures." So, if you didn't go to Harvard or Stanford or similar (top schools), the average would be below 6 figures? What kind of nonsense is that??
From the article Steve posted above, I had a good chuckle at this doozy, "The average salary for graduates from top schools is typically in the six figures." So, if you didn't go to Harvard or Stanford or similar (top schools), the average would be below 6 figures? What kind of nonsense is that??
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