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The Sopranos (Bada Bing)

BayBuck;861839; said:
And I don't believe there will be a Sopranos movie, at least not in connection with David Chase.

And especially not with Gandolfini

Big Papa;861850; said:
I think BayBuck has it right here. I just found this comment from an individual on digg.com and it really makes sense to be know. I guess I was one of those looking for a cut and dry ending and when it did not come, I was just pissed and didn't bother to really get into what it could really mean. I think this is what it meant, cutting to black at the end and no music with the credits. My original thought was that the ending was just put there to get you all geeked out, waiting for the hit to happen and then have it end. Just Chase f'ing with all of us.

I think the cut to black equating Tony's death is too literal an interpretation of that scene, but just the fact that there are so many clues and so many things left to think about, I think Chase has achieved what he sought out to do all along with the Sopranos, which is to create an evocative show that was several layers deep. I don't know how brilliant the ending was (I liked it), but it was an appropriate punchline for the rest of the series.
 
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NewYorkBuck;861735; said:
No closure? But thats just the brilliance in it - there closure, or lack thereof, is entirely contingent upon your own mindset. If you think killing Phil was the end of the war, then those guys in the restaurant were really nobody and the family just continues as before. Sil pulling through is also up to you. If you think the war was still going on, then who leaves the restaurant is also up to you.


Exactly. Most people want things to be basic and easy to understand. I think it's cool how it ended, and the thing about Tony being shot makes perfect sense.
 
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I see the point New York is making and others who liked the ending. I myself like to things to end if they are going to end. To me Chase took the coward way out and had a no ending ending. It was as if he was afraid to upset any type of viewer. Did Tony have to have his brains blowed out to end, nope, Witness Protection, or along those lines... nope, but it needed an ending IMO.

Great Series though... One of the best if not best!
 
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BayBuck;861839; said:
and Chase could have easily incorporated any of those familiar plotlines and "resolved" all those pressing "issues" with his own ending, but instead he left it open-ended, like life so often is.

But aren't we supposed to assume whatever's going on with Tony, A.J., Meadow, etc., will be concluded in one way or the other? So if Tony's storyline is someone put out a hit on him then somethings going to happen. Either they go through with it and Tony dies or kills them first or whatever, or they don't and that's that. Either way, something's going to happen. If the Sopranos finale didn't answer those basic storylines, then that's no conclusion. If it did, then I've got no problem with the finale.

Just because we knew this TV series was not going to continue after last night doesn't mean we should have expected such a complex story to be truly concluded.

And that's what I was referring to by a "cookie cutter" ending. Few problems truly resolve themselves. They evolve. But there are more basic questions that can and should be answered.
 
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OregonBuckeye;861874; said:
But aren't we supposed to assume whatever's going on with Tony, A.J., Meadow, etc., will be concluded in one way or the other? So if Tony's storyline is someone put out a hit on him then somethings going to happen. Either they go through with it and Tony dies or kills them first or whatever, or they don't and that's that. Either way, something's going to happen. If the Sopranos finale didn't answer those basic storylines, then that's no conclusion. If it did, then I've got no problem with the finale.



And that's what I was referring to by a "cookie cutter" ending. Few problems truly resolve themselves. They evolve. But there are more basic questions that can and should be answered.

Well, there really were several instances of closure or resolution in this episode: Phil got whacked after falling out of favor, probably leading to more stable relations between NY & NJ; we found out who the rat was, and it wasn't Paulie (who got a promotion); we got a glimpse at where Meadow & AJ are headed in life; Tony met with Junior and found out how serious his ALzheimer's really is; there was even a funeral (Bobby Bacala), and a typically-appropriate song playing on the jukebox as the screen went black. People are just upset because it didn't end with the cast members coming out bowing and crying, or with Sam saying "we're closed" and turning out the lights, but really this was as good a finale as the show deserved.
 
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My major problem was there was entirely too much crammed into the last hour. Yes they were trying to give you an idea of what each character was going to become after the show ended, but that episode needed to be 2 hours, and it would have been so much more smooth.

But no I still hated the ending :p
 
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The more I think about it and the more I hear (its all over the news out here) the more I think Tony bought it. The screen quickly fading to black is what does it for me. According to people who know a lot more about the series than I do, there was a lot of sybolism in the diner. Boyscouts (threre were boyscouts when Bobby was shot), two young guys that walked in (they were similar to the ones that tried to kill tony a few seasons ago), and supposedly the guy at the counter was one of the two who killed Bobby (and Phil's cousin). Also, in the history of mob movies many killers go to the bathroom and come out shooting. None of these are my theories but they all make sense.
 
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fourteenandoh;862286; said:
The more I think about it and the more I hear (its all over the news out here) the more I think Tony bought it. The screen quickly fading to black is what does it for me. According to people who know a lot more about the series than I do, there was a lot of sybolism in the diner. Boyscouts (threre were boyscouts when Bobby was shot), two young guys that walked in (they were similar to the ones that tried to kill tony a few seasons ago), and supposedly the guy at the counter was one of the two who killed Bobby (and Phil's cousin). Also, in the history of mob movies many killers go to the bathroom and come out shooting. None of these are my theories but they all make sense.

Plus if you remember the conversation Bobby and Tony had on the boat, Bobby talked about how if you get killed how you don't know it, but things just fade to black.
 
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BurgBuck52;862594; said:
Plus if you remember the conversation Bobby and Tony had on the boat, Bobby talked about how if you get killed how you don't know it, but things just fade to black.

Too bad for Bobby that he took several bullets to the body before they got to his head. I think he knew what happened. Phil on the other hand.....
 
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LINK

'Sopranos' Creator: Finale Not Setup For Movie
Chase Says He's Not Preparing For Movie

NEWARK, N.J. -- "Sopranos" creator David Chase said he doesn't plan on following up the now-concluded HBO series with a movie, but "never say never."

Chase, 61, told The Star-Ledger of Newark, N.J., that he thinks he has "kind of said it and done it" with Sunday's finale. Chase left for France last weekend so that he could avoid "all the Monday morning quarterbacking" about the show's finale.

Chase said he'll leave it to fans to interpret the show's last scene for themselves. It featured members of the Soprano family munching onion rings in a diner as Journey's "Don't Stop Believin"' plays. As the music and tension build, the screen suddenly cuts to black.

Chase said he doesn't intend to explain, defend, or add to what's there. And he said he wasn't messing with anyone.

"No one was trying to be audacious, honest to God," he adds. "We did what we thought we had to do. No one was trying to blow people's minds, or thinking, 'Wow, this'll (tick) them off.' People get the impression that you're trying to (mess) with them and it's not true. You're trying to entertain them."

"Anybody who wants to watch it, it's all there," said Chase.

As for talk of a movie, Chase said that was not his intention.

"I don't think about (a movie) much," he said. "I never say never. An idea could pop into my head where I would go, 'Wow, that would make a great movie,' but I doubt it.

"I'm not being coy," he added during his interview with The Star-Ledger. "If something appeared that really made a good 'Sopranos' movie and you could invest in it and everybody else wanted to do it, I would do it. But I think we've kind of said it and done it."

He also said it would be difficult to do a movie because he has killed so many key characters.

He also said that he is considering making other movies, rather than working in television.

"It's been the greatest career experience of my life," he said. "There's nothing more in TV that I could say or would want to say."

Fans Steamed
"Sopranos" fans are still steamed over the finale and some are threatening to cancel their HBO service in protest.

Message boards and chat rooms are jammed with fans who feel like they were duped when the series abruptly ended in the middle of the final scene with the screen going black and the sound cutting off.

Here are some of their comments:

"This finale was pathetic"
"It was the cruelest thing I've seen in my life."
It was a "cowardly cop-out"
"This might have been the worst ending to a show I've ever seen"
"I feel used!"

While in the minority, there were some who liked the ending. One fan wrote "It was awesome. So thought-provoking. Beautifully done."

'The Sopranos' Ratings

The ending of "The Sopranos" wasn't conclusive and neither are the ratings yet.

Nielsen Media Research didn't immediately have ratings information. But, early estimates show viewership at the four biggest broadcast networks was down in double-digit percentages compared to last year.

CBS said only 6.25 million people were watching its Tony Awards telecast Sunday night. That's down 17 percent from last year. That drop could have a lot to do with "The Sopranos."

HBO, by the way, said its Web site crashed shortly after "The Sopranos" finale from the huge number of people checking in and posting messages.

There were 364,000 page views a second at its peak. HBO said that's "just astronomical." It took a half-hour to get the Web site up again, and an hour for the bulletin boards to be back online.
 
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