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The "Raptor" joins the US force

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  • I've been watching shows about this jet for years and this thing is unreal

    SATX, what do you think of it?

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    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The futuristic F-22A "Raptor" fighter jet, designed to dominate the skies well into the 21st century, joined the U.S. combat fleet on Thursday, 20 years after it was conceived to fight Soviet MiGs over Europe.
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    The Air Force said "initial operational capability" had been achieved at the 1st Fighter Wing's 27th Fighter Squadron at Langley Air Force Base, Virginia.
    Pilots in the squadron, the Air Force's oldest in continuous operation, have been training on the F-22, the Air Force's most advanced weapon system, for about a year.
    "If we go to war tomorrow, the Raptor will go with us," Gen. Ronald Keys, head of the Air Force's Air Combat command, said in a statement. He said an initial group of 12 was ready for combat worldwide or for homeland defense.
    The squadron may swing through the Pacific next year, probably flying from Guam and elsewhere, though no decision has been made about where to best "showcase" it, Keys said in a later teleconference with reporters.
    With the Soviet Union gone, defense analysts have cast the F-22 as the weapon of choice for any future U.S. conflict with China, for instance over Taiwan.
    "There is a clear role for F-22 here," said Daniel Goure, a former Pentagon strategist now at the Lexington Institute, an Arlington, Virginia, research group with close ties to the U.S. defense establishment.
    The aircraft's role is to "kick the doors down" in a conflict, as Pentagon officials put it, knocking out defenses on the ground and in the air to clear the way for other warplanes and forces.
    The radar-evading Raptor is twice as reliable and three times more effective than the F-15C Eagle it is replacing as the top U.S. air-to-air fighter, according to Lockheed Martin Corp., its developer.
    "It's a fighter pilot's dream," said former F-15 pilot Col. Walter Givhan, lauding the plane's integrated avionics, stealth and speed. Givhan is wing commander at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada, where the latest round of F-22 testing was completed.
    Lockheed described the fighter as the world's most advanced and said it was "relevant for the next 40 years."
    Boeing Co. and Northrop Grumman Corp. are top F-22 subcontractors. United Technologies Corp.'s Pratt & Whitney unit makes the aircraft's two engines.

    STEALTHY AND SUPERSONIC
    The Raptor combines low-observability, or stealth, with supersonic speed, agility and cockpit displays designed to boost greatly pilots' awareness of the situation around them.
    At a "fly-away" cost of about $130 million each for the most recent batch, not including research and development, it is also one of the most controversial U.S. warplanes ever.
    Critics have termed it unaffordable overkill in a world without the potential threat of a Soviet Union able to send swarms of MiGs into a dogfight, which prompted its inception in 1986.
    The Air Force is planning to stretch F-22 production until 2010 to keep Lockheed's production line open pending arrival of its more affordable F-35 Joint Strike Fighter family of aircraft that will also go to the Navy, the Marines and co-developing nations that include Britain, Italy and Turkey.

    The F-22 also has a ground attack capability to drop 250-pound (113.5-kg), small-diameter bombs or 1,000-pound (454-kg) Joint Direct Attack Munitions while flying at supersonic speeds.
    Gen. Michael Moseley, the Air Force chief of staff, has said the F-22 is needed against threats such as Russian-built surface-to-air missiles sold overseas.
    Moseley said on Tuesday he hoped to buy 183 F-22s, four more than currently in the budget and enough for seven combat-ready squadrons, down from the 750 F-22s once planned. Final assembly has been completed on 67 of the 107 F-22s already purchased by the Air Force, Lockheed's program manager, Larry Lawson, said in a statement.
     
    We won't have that many F22s.
    The USAF originally wanted over 700. That got cut to under 300. Now we are looking at under 200.

    It is very expensive. Alot of critics think it is over kill, and we could have spent the money just to upgrade F15-F16. I say they are full of shit.

    Also, the JSF F35 is coming in the next decade. There is already talk of cutting that program some too.

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    We won't have that many F22s.
    The USAF originally wanted over 700. That got cut to under 300. Now we are looking at under 200.

    It is very expensive. Alot of critics think it is over kill, and we could have spent the money just to upgrade F15-F16. I say they are full of shit.

    Also, the JSF F35 is coming in the next decade. There is already talk of cutting that program some too.

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    The total JSF's will probably still be in the 2500 range.... which is a lot of planes... and at about a 1/3 to 1/4 of the cost of the F-22, it does make some sense....

    Meanwhile... its a cool assed airplane
     
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    The total JSF's will probably still be in the 2500 range.... which is a lot of planes... and at about a 1/3 to 1/4 of the cost of the F-22, it does make some sense....

    Meanwhile... its a cool assed airplane

    The F22 is a first day of war plane. it is for air dominance. The F35, which is also a cool assed plane, is not first day of war.
    Yes it will be up there in numbers, but is replacing F18,(not E/F) F16, A10(supposedly) and Harriers. There will be 3 variants of the F35.
     
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    Boeing Co. and Northrop Grumman Corp. are top F-22 subcontractors. United Technologies Corp.'s Pratt & Whitney unit makes the aircraft's two engines.

    So.....Northrop Grumman is working on this sweet-ass jet....and GD01 is thinking about working at Mettler Toledo....WTF, dude???? :biggrin:
     
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    I love the Warthog. Those things can get shot up like hell, and still keep going. The gov't has tried to mothball that thing many times, but keeps coming back to it.

    It is ugly, but it is baaaaaad.
     
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    The F22 is a first day of war plane. it is for air dominance. The F35, which is also a cool assed plane, is not first day of war.

    yep, the f35 really isn't an air dominance aircraft. but it will do a fine job replacing the f16's and f18's. the f22 is the only aircraft we'll have in the forseeable future that will be superior to the next generation of russian and euro designed fighters.

    Yes it will be up there in numbers, but is replacing F18,(not E/F) F16, A10(supposedly) and Harriers. There will be 3 variants of the F35.

    if the air force trys to replace the a10 with either the f22 or any of the f35 variants don't be to surprised if you see the army make a serious push to get their hands on some a10s. and if they don't, expect a very serious pissing match. don't get me wrong, id dry hump the f22 till i lost the feeling in my legs but no way no how it can perform close in support in anything resembling = or superior to an a10. though it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see the air force try to ditch the a10. been trying to do that since day one.

    people complain about the f22 price tag... those people are fools. this is why the f22 is desperately needed:

    THE SCENARIO in which the Su-30 "always" beats the F-15 involves the Sukhoi taking a shot with a BVR missile (like the AA-12 Adder) and then "turning into the clutter notch of the F-15's radar," the Air Force official said. Getting into the clutter notch where the Doppler radar is ineffective involves making a descending, right-angle turn to drop below the approaching F-15 while reducing the Su-30's relative forward speed close to zero. This is a 20-year-old air combat tactic, but the Russian fighter's maneuverability, ability to dump speed quickly and then rapidly regain acceleration allow it to execute the tactic with great effectiveness, observers said.

    If the maneuver is flown correctly, the Su-30 is invisible to the F-15's Doppler radar--which depends on movement of its targets--until the U.S. fighter gets to within range of the AA-11 Archer infrared missile. The AA-11 has a high-off-boresight capability and is used in combination with a helmet-mounted sight and a modern high-speed processor that rapidly spits out the target solution.

    Positioned below the F-15, the Su-30 then uses its passive infrared sensor to frame the U.S. fighter against the sky with no background clutter. The Russian fighter then takes its second shot, this time with the IR missile, and accelerates out of danger.

    "It works in the simulator every time," the Air Force official said. However, he did point out that U.S. pilots are flying both aircraft in the tests. Few countries maintain a pilot corps with the air-to-air combat skills needed to fly these scenarios, said an aerospace industry official involved in stealth fighter programs.
     
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