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The pain of being unrivaled

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Hetuck said:
To clarify, OSU has a 4-2 advantage over ND and that is incredibly huge. They are ahead of OSU in wins and winning percentage. But they haven't beaten OSU since 1936. Their first two wins over the Bucks were historically big victories.

Of course they're rivals. I can't believe that's in doubt.
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Hetuck said:
Of course Notre Dame is a rival. It's a cold rivalry because OSU and ND almost never play. But when they do it's a really big deal. The fans really care. And it always matters. Michigan, Notre Dame, and Ohio State are the big three historical Midwestern powers.

Ohio State is in third place in that three-way rivalry when it comes to wins and winning percentage.
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Well considering that every matchup in most fans lifetimes was between top 15 teams (with all but one team being top 8), yeah I would say that those four games were a big deal. It is a matchup of two of the most iconic football programs of the past century; it is not a rivalry.

As for PSU, tell me how much of a rivalry it is when they roll into Columbus with a record like 4-5 as mutli-touchdown underdogs. Because to me, it will feel way closer to a Minnesota game than a Michigan game.
 
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Ryan36_1 said:
Well considering that every matchup in most fans lifetimes was between top 15 teams (with all but one team being top 8), yeah I would say that those four games were a big deal. It is a matchup of two of the most iconic football programs of the past century; it is not a rivalry.

As for PSU, tell me how much of a rivalry it is when they roll into Columbus with a record like 4-5 as mutli-touchdown underdogs. Because to me, it will feel way closer to a Minnesota game than a Michigan game.
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He probably was beating the “MSU is our biggest rival” drum from 2013-2016
 
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buchtelgrad04 said:
Here’s a link to the traditions and rivalries the University acknowledges officially.

Spoiler: Penn State isn’t one.

http://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/football-traditions/
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That has nothing to do with rivalries. Of course the Michigan game is The Game, the big rivalry next to which all others pale. And OSU has one trophy game with Illinois. If you're using that link to argue that PSU isn't a rival then you must concede that OSU recognizes Illinois as a rival which consequently means that OSU has more than one rival and Illinois is a bigger rival than PSU. That's just ridiculous.
 
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Hetuck said:
To clarify, OSU has a 4-2 advantage over ND and that is incredibly huge. They are ahead of OSU in wins and winning percentage. But they haven't beaten OSU since 1936. Their first two wins over the Bucks were historically big victories.

Of course they're rivals. I can't believe that's in doubt.
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So the issue isn’t “is _________ a rival?”.....the real issue is that you don’t know what the word rivalry means.
 
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Hetuck said:
That has nothing to do with rivalries. Of course the Michigan game is The Game, the big rivalry next to which all others pale. And OSU has one trophy game with Illinois. If you're using that link to argue that PSU isn't a rival then you must concede that OSU recognizes Illinois as a rival which consequently means that OSU has more than one rival and Illinois is a bigger rival than PSU. That's just ridiculous.
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Well, I AM conceding that OSU recognizes Illinois as a rival. I’m sorry that hurts your feelings.
 
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Hetuck said:
If Joe Paterno had retired after his 70th birthday, PSU would've had a new coach for the 1997 season. Think about that. The first investigation into Sandusky happened in 1998. Think of all that could've been avoided by the program and the school if they had just parted ways with Joe at the very reasonable age of 70 years old.

From a strictly football standpoint, they would've won more games and certainly have a better record against OSU (and Michigan). With each passing year, as Joe got older and older, and elite players became less and less likely to commit because they didn't know how long Joe would last, the team got worse and worse. It got to the point where they were more interested in four win seasons than ten win seasons so long as those four wins were added to Joe's record and he could outlast Bobby Bowden for the all time wins record.

The McQueary incident in the locker room happened when the team wasn't good. If that had gone public, Joe would've been easily ousted (15 years too late). They covered it up, Joe lowered his standards and brought in some talent that won more games and criminally assaulted their fellow students. But all that is history.

Penn State underperformed for the last decade plus of the Paterno years and then through the sanctions. They have talent in their state and similar recruiting advantages to OSU. The PSU of the next 20 years is going to be a lot better than the PSU of the last 20 years since they finally got that albatross Paterno off their necks.
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:lol: so the foundation of the rivalry is an assumption about the future. I didn't think you had room to dig deeper, but man you pulled it off.

Remember when PSU was going to be a title contender and then they won titles at a Purdue level? Remember when Corn was going to be competent ? Remember when Michigan was going to be a shoe in for a ccg in their easy division? (There's no line here for MSU under Dantonio as you can't even sarcastically reference that stunning emergence )

(Pepperidge farms remembers)

Please wax poetic about mythical future rivalries with a team that hasn't caught either secondary challenger in the B1G as it pertains to buckeye tears. It is really persuasive.
 
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