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The Masters Tournament 2010

BB73;1689148; said:
For those who were impressed with Tiger's play after a few months away from competitive golf, I suggest reading up on the story of Ben Hogan.

Maybe it was the wording, but to me that seems as if you're saying that Tiger's play this weekend is unimpressive in comparison. Surely it was nowhere near as impressive as what Hogan did following his injuries...but impressive none the less...

jlb1705;1689254; said:
Say what you want...I don't care about that. It's just not congruent with the way I now view the game.

Duly noted.

However, I just want to say that Tiger isn't the only player in sport to take up the mindset that it's simply not his goal to compete...it's always his goal to win. Kobe Bryant comes to mind...in his maturity as an athlete, he's taken the mindset that there's simply no reason that with his talent and his opportunity that he should settle for anything less than perfection. A-Rod, Federer, etc...they all take anything short of perfection as failure...

As arrogant as it may be...when you're the best in the game, I feel like you're generally an exception to the rule that you should be happy "just to be there".
 
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OSU_Buckguy;1689243; said:
tiger didn't choke. he just didn't have a great round. instead, he had a good round. his second 9 was better than his first, and he was 3 under for the last 4 holes. choking implies that he succumbed to the pressure. i saw none of that. yes, tiger did have that ugly 3-putt from close range, but that was due to a lack of focus rather than to the pressure. also, when i think of a player choking, i think of a player giving up a sizable lead or failing badly when almost in the lead. tiger was either 4 or 5 strokes behind the lead when he 3-putted.

to be sure, i am no tiger fanboy. i'm glad that phil won and i prefer his victory over a tiger victory. that being stated, i did not see tiger choke. he just didn't play well enough to win. heck, i'm impressed that he played as well as he did.

I meant choked on the 11th/14th green putting (when he had birdie opportunity from 6 feet and ended up making bogey) that's what I meant. His irons were just PITIFUL yesterday. I've never seen Tiger play so badly before. His approach shots were all over the place, and even his short game was NOT good.
 
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TheRob8801;1689336; said:
However, I just want to say that Tiger isn't the only player in sport to take up the mindset that it's simply not his goal to compete...Kobe Bryant comes to mind...A-Rod, Federer, etc...they all take anything short of perfection as failure...

Hmm. I think you're on to something. I can't stand any of those guys (well, I have no beef with Federer).
 
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Is there no actual penalty for airing profanity on network TV? Disney seems to do it all of the time on their sports broadcasts, even on football which is delayed a few seconds.
 
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TheRob8801;1689336; said:
Maybe it was the wording, but to me that seems as if you're saying that Tiger's play this weekend is unimpressive in comparison. Surely it was nowhere near as impressive as what Hogan did following his injuries...but impressive none the less...

So you're saying it was "nowhere near as impressive as what Hogan did", but you seem to have a problem with me saying something that led you to believe that I felt that Tiger's play was "unimpressive in comparison".

Got it. Damn me for being so confusing in my wording.
 
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You guys are getting very worked up over this whole cursing thing...I would love to see the entire field get miked up as much as Tiger does. Hell, even the 60+ year old guys at my driving range curse all day long. I guess when you know you're being watched and on TV its something different, but at some point CBS is going to have to say that if we want to play upset about it we can't keep throwing mikes up there in hopes of catching it. Evidently what Tiger is doing is not against rules, but is against the "decorum" of the game in general. While that's all fine and dandy, it is undeniable that the spark that Tiger brought to the game does spill over in some not so flattering areas. The PGA Tour seems more than happy to take the miniscule bad with the monumental good.

With that, fuck off you dumb ass mother fuckers.
 
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BB73;1689643; said:
So you're saying it was "nowhere near as impressive as what Hogan did", but you seem to have a problem with me saying something that led you to believe that I felt that Tiger's play was "unimpressive in comparison".

Got it. Damn me for being so confusing in my wording.

So I made a semantical error in MY wording, sorry...

I wasn't sure if you were saying that it was entirely unimpressive because precedent allowed for the Ben Hogan comparison, or if you were simply saying that it wasn't AS impressive as what Hogan did. I didn't have a problem with your assessment at all if it was the latter, I was just clarifying that it was. I didn't mean for you to take it as being antagonistic. I wouldn't have made the effort to question the wording if I was positive of your stance on the matter.

Why you gotta be so smug and condescending about it?
 
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TheRob8801;1689652; said:
So I made a semantical error in MY wording, sorry...

I wasn't sure if you were saying that it was entirely unimpressive because precedent allowed for the Ben Hogan comparison, or if you were simply saying that it wasn't AS impressive as what Hogan did. I didn't have a problem with your assessment at all if it was the latter, I was just clarifying that it was. I didn't mean for you to take it as being antagonistic. I wouldn't have made the effort to question the wording if I was positive of your stance on the matter.

Why you gotta be so smug and condescending about it?

If you weren't sure of my meaning, and wanted to clarify it, perhaps your post should have contained a question, rather than apparently trying to state what you think I should have said. Your post had an appearance of trying to put your words into what I had said, and that's something that many folks on the board would object to.

Here's some unsolicited advice, in the form of a polite request. Please stop trying to interpret the meaning of my posts, and please just stop quoting me and responding with comments like 'smug and condescending' in regards to my posts. I would seriously consider it a personal favor if you would stop doing that.

Regarding the original comment of the level of impressiveness of Tiger's performance, how far back would someone have to go to find another instance of a top athlete in an individual sport that's played worldwide, taking off several months from competitive play, and then having a top-4 finish in the first major played upon returning to the sport?

Wow - we'd have to go all the way back to one prior major in the two worldwide individual sports with 4 majors annually (golf and tennis) to find that Justine Henin, who took off about 20 months, finished 2nd in the Australian Open in January. Stop the presses, in the first major of the year, Henin took off 20 months and finished 2nd, but in the second tennis/golf major of the year, Tiger took off 5 months and finished in a tie for 4th!

That sarcasm is directed at the sports media in general, not at you personally.
 
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I don't care about the cursing...but I think part of the problem was that Tiger said he was going to clean up his act, and treat the game more of a gentleman's game it is. That's the only thing where I can see people getting ticked off about the cursing because like others have said, it's been going on for years.
 
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BB73;1689735; said:
If you weren't sure of my meaning, and wanted to clarify it, perhaps your post should have contained a question, rather than apparently trying to state what you think I should have said. Your post had an appearance of trying to put your words into what I had said, and that's something that many folks on the board would object to.

Well, nobody else on the board seemed to object to my post, nor chime in on the subsequent response to your chastisement. It's not my intention to put words in anyone's mouth. I'd surely object to that if someone were to do that to me.

TheRob8801 said:
Maybe it was the wording, but to me that seems as if you're saying...

That statement should've explained anything you needed to know about my comprehension of your post. It says that I wasn't sure of your tone, and then it says what I, personally, myself...got out of it...giving you every opportunity to simply say something along the lines of "that's not what I meant" and I would've been perfectly happy apologizing for the misunderstanding.

Here's some unsolicited advice, in the form of a polite request. Please stop trying to interpret the meaning of my posts, and please just stop quoting me and responding with comments like 'smug and condescending' in regards to my posts. I would seriously consider it a personal favor if you would stop doing that.

Considering it's the first and only time I've ever done such a thing, I get the feeling that it's more about the fact that I hurt your feelings than it is a real cease and desist statement. So, I'm sorry...you're right, I had no business calling you out like that, but the perceived tone you took with me was hurtful in it's own right. Hopefully you can clear that one up for me.

Regarding the original comment of the level of impressiveness of Tiger's performance, how far back would someone have to go to find another instance of a top athlete in an individual sport that's played worldwide, taking off several months from competitive play, and then having a top-4 finish in the first major played upon returning to the sport?

Wow - we'd have to go all the way back to one prior major in the two worldwide individual sports with 4 majors annually (golf and tennis) to find that Justine Henin, who took off about 20 months, finished 2nd in the Australian Open in January. Stop the presses, in the first major of the year, Henin took off 20 months and finished 2nd, but in the second tennis/golf major of the year, Tiger took off 5 months and finished in a tie for 4th!

That sarcasm is directed at the sports media in general, not at you personally.

...really? Judging by this I can only assume that you really do feel that Tiger's performance was unremarkable.

So, taking off a year and a half after announcing your retirement from the sport entirely and showing up on a couple of TV shows with no semblance of paparazzi terrorization is akin to being one of the most posterized figures in the sport getting caught up in a scandal that made airtime on just about every television channel forcedly removing you from the pro circuit amidst constant media invasion and re-appearing at one of if not THE most prestigious sporting events in all of sport?

We can make this solely about sport all we want, but when it comes to the mental toughness involved in both scenarios, you can't even begin to compare the two. Even if you HATED Tiger Woods, you'd have to look at both scenarios and realize that there's a little bit more to one story than there is the other.

Now if we're talking about Ben Hogan, the argument's over. Tiger Woods's success doesn't compare...but in most other comparisons, you'd be hard pressed to find the kind of mental toughness required to succeed under similar circumstances.
 
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BuckeyeMac;1689859; said:
I don't care about the cursing...but I think part of the problem was that Tiger said he was going to clean up his act, and treat the game more of a gentleman's game it is. That's the only thing where I can see people getting ticked off about the cursing because like others have said, it's been going on for years.

Yea, that's where Tiger made the mistake...

...if he wasn't going to live up to his own statement 100%, he simply shouldn't have made it. The scrutiny he's been under isn't about perception of what he "should" or "could" do, it's what Tiger himself said he "would" do...and any deviation from that is going to be blown up and magnified.
 
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