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The Masters Tournament 2009

fourteenandoh;1448501; said:
the field is always a good bet

Damn right it is. And, it goes back to the arguments that occur about Tiger and Golf and "athlete" and "sport" and all that crap.

Reality is that the PGA tour today has about 100 or more guys that could win a tournament at any time, and in any place. Tiger is head and shoulders above anyone else, and in a different era Phil would be the same. But there is so much talent out there that its worth watching all these Majors. You just never know what's gonna happen.

Peace.
 
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Just saw Jim Gray (complete asshole) interview Kenny Perry. Probably one of the most gut wrenching interviews I've ever seen. KP tried to play it off like it was ok, but JG asked him if he would be able to let this one go. KP said, "Jim, I've never forgiven myself for the PGA in '97" What a heartbreaker for him.
 
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I was struck by Tiger's near loss of composure during the interview after his round. He barely kept him emotions in check. He really wanted that one.

Forget the last two holes, when he went for the win off the tee and paid for it. Getting to 10 under par signalled something to the rest of the field. A few more weeks and they can forget counting him out of anything.
 
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Steve19;1448547; said:
I was struck by Tiger's near loss of composure during the interview after his round. He barely kept him emotions in check. He really wanted that one.

Forget the last two holes, when he went for the win off the tee and paid for it. Getting to 10 under par signalled something to the rest of the field. A few more weeks and they can forget counting him out of anything.
I was struck more by how many vbucks he cost me by his sissying up for this T.
For the last ten years or so the game (not sport) has been won by tiger or whoever was able to get lucky and not make as many mistakes . I mean he hasn't got any competion, look at the way Perry folded up like a house of cards.
When the masters is controlled at the end by players who are really lower tier plyers the game (not sport) is in the crapper.
 
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fourteenandoh;1448493; said:
we had Jake, Grad, gator, buckeyebri, Max, on the edge of their seats. the masters is the only week where other sports fans get into my sport as much as me. as usual, this was a great tournament. there is something about the masters that just brings the best players to the top of the leaderboard...

The Masters is and has always been far and away my most favorite sporting event, outside of the OSU vs. UM game of course...Jacks famous back nine charge to win his last Masters will always be etched into my mind.

Phil and Tiger really gave the crowd something to watch that they will not soon forget and the playoff, even if won by Cabrerra, was just icing on the cake to an unforgettable Sunday....
 
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Steve19;1448547; said:
Forget the last two holes, when he went for the win off the tee and paid for it. Getting to 10 under par signalled something to the rest of the field. A few more weeks and they can forget counting him out of anything.

Maybe, but I still think that Tiger will get plenty of challenges this year from Phil, Harrington, and a few others....I'm still waiting for someone to bitchslap his faggot of a caddie Stevie....
 
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Best Buckeye;1448550; said:
I was struck more by how many vbucks he cost me by his sissying up for this T.
For the last ten years or so the game (not sport) has been won by tiger or whoever was able to get lucky and not make as many mistakes . I mean he hasn't got any competion, look at the way Perry folded up like a house of cards.
When the masters is controlled at the end by players who are really lower tier plyers the game (not sport) is in the crapper.

Man, I am really having to bite my tongue when I read crap like this. (but why would that stop me?)

You'd think all the other guys on tour are 10 handicappers.

NONE of the three guys left standing at the end are lower tier players. Perry is a proven winner and both he and Campbell are Ryder Cup players. Cabrerra just won the US Open a couple of years ago for cryin' out loud - and he WON it, he didn't luck out or have it given to him. He did get pretty lucky in the Masters playoff, but that's part of the game too. He gutted it out on Sunday with his B game and it paid off for him.

To say Perry folded up like a house of cards shows just how ignorant you are. He didn't pull a VandeVeld by any means. He hit one bad chip shot - which he admitted to - and maybe a tactical error on 18 by hitting driver instead of taking the bunkers out of play with a 3 wood.

I mean, Tiger bogeyed the last 2 holes yesterday, also. And he bogeyed the last 2 holes in '06 when he had a 2 shot lead, and ended up in a playoff - just like Perry did yesterday.

I mean, my God man, did you see the round of golf that Mickelson played? One bad swing on 12, but man he striped it all day, knocking down the flagsticks and hitting it way closer than Tiger pretty much every single hole.
No competition for Tiger? He kicked Tiger's butt head-to-head and should have beaten him by 4 or 5 shots that round.

I don't think recreational golfers, or non-golfers such as yourself, have any inkling as to just how difficult these courses the pros play really are. Especially a major. You can't see how severe the slopes are, and how big the hills are on TV. And these guys hit the ball so far and so good, it makes the course look infinitely easier than it is.

In regards to the interview, Steve 19, the interviewer was trying to get Tiger into a Tiger-vs-Phil discussion, and I think that irked Tiger and he would not go there at all.

That was one of the best Masters Sundays in a very long time, but they were both just too far back to start with. Heck, if Norman would have "folded" like people are saying Perry did, with a 71 on Sunday, he would have won the '96 Masters by 2 shots instead of losing it by 5 shots. Now that's folding for you.

I think Sunday's round really showed the difference between Tiger and Phil, though. Tiger was not playing great but was grinding away, and when he turned his game around on the back nine, you could see it in his whole demeanor - that he knew he had a chance to win. When he didn't win, he took no consolation with playing well. He didn't enjoy it.

With Phil, he was laser-sharp right from the start (well, except for his opening drive) and he was having FUN. Even after the round, when he had given 3 or 4 shots away on the back none, he was disappointed about not winning, but felt good about playing a great round of golf in crunch time. What he realistically needed was a PERFECT round of golf to actually win, and that's not exactly Phil's forte, is it?
 
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NightmaresDad;1449069; said:
Man, I am really having to bite my tongue when I read crap like this. (but why would that stop me?)

You'd think all the other guys on tour are 10 handicappers.

NONE of the three guys left standing at the end are lower tier players. Perry is a proven winner and both he and Campbell are Ryder Cup players. Cabrerra just won the US Open a couple of years ago for cryin' out loud - and he WON it, he didn't luck out or have it given to him. He did get pretty lucky in the Masters playoff, but that's part of the game too. He gutted it out on Sunday with his B game and it paid off for him.

To say Perry folded up like a house of cards shows just how ignorant you are. He didn't pull a VandeVeld by any means. He hit one bad chip shot - which he admitted to - and maybe a tactical error on 18 by hitting driver instead of taking the bunkers out of play with a 3 wood.

I mean, Tiger bogeyed the last 2 holes yesterday, also. And he bogeyed the last 2 holes in '06 when he had a 2 shot lead, and ended up in a playoff - just like Perry did yesterday.

I mean, my God man, did you see the round of golf that Mickelson played? One bad swing on 12, but man he striped it all day, knocking down the flagsticks and hitting it way closer than Tiger pretty much every single hole.
No competition for Tiger? He kicked Tiger's butt head-to-head and should have beaten him by 4 or 5 shots that round.

I don't think recreational golfers, or non-golfers such as yourself, have any inkling as to just how difficult these courses the pros play really are. Especially a major. You can't see how severe the slopes are, and how big the hills are on TV. And these guys hit the ball so far and so good, it makes the course look infinitely easier than it is.

In regards to the interview, Steve 19, the interviewer was trying to get Tiger into a Tiger-vs-Phil discussion, and I think that irked Tiger and he would not go there at all.

That was one of the best Masters Sundays in a very long time, but they were both just too far back to start with. Heck, if Norman would have "folded" like people are saying Perry did, with a 71 on Sunday, he would have won the '96 Masters by 2 shots instead of losing it by 5 shots. Now that's folding for you.

I think Sunday's round really showed the difference between Tiger and Phil, though. Tiger was not playing great but was grinding away, and when he turned his game around on the back nine, you could see it in his whole demeanor - that he knew he had a chance to win. When he didn't win, he took no consolation with playing well. He didn't enjoy it.

With Phil, he was laser-sharp right from the start (well, except for his opening drive) and he was having FUN. Even after the round, when he had given 3 or 4 shots away on the back none, he was disappointed about not winning, but felt good about playing a great round of golf in crunch time. What he realistically needed was a PERFECT round of golf to actually win, and that's not exactly Phil's forte, is it?

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NightmaresDad;1449069; said:
Man, I am really having to bite my tongue when I read crap like this. (but why would that stop me?)

You'd think all the other guys on tour are 10 handicappers.

NONE of the three guys left standing at the end are lower tier players. Perry is a proven winner and both he and Campbell are Ryder Cup players. Cabrerra just won the US Open a couple of years ago for cryin' out loud - and he WON it, he didn't luck out or have it given to him. He did get pretty lucky in the Masters playoff, but that's part of the game too. He gutted it out on Sunday with his B game and it paid off for him.

To say Perry folded up like a house of cards shows just how ignorant you are. He didn't pull a VandeVeld by any means. He hit one bad chip shot - which he admitted to - and maybe a tactical error on 18 by hitting driver instead of taking the bunkers out of play with a 3 wood.

I mean, Tiger bogeyed the last 2 holes yesterday, also. And he bogeyed the last 2 holes in '06 when he had a 2 shot lead, and ended up in a playoff - just like Perry did yesterday.

I mean, my God man, did you see the round of golf that Mickelson played? One bad swing on 12, but man he striped it all day, knocking down the flagsticks and hitting it way closer than Tiger pretty much every single hole.
No competition for Tiger? He kicked Tiger's butt head-to-head and should have beaten him by 4 or 5 shots that round.

I don't think recreational golfers, or non-golfers such as yourself, have any inkling as to just how difficult these courses the pros play really are. Especially a major. You can't see how severe the slopes are, and how big the hills are on TV. And these guys hit the ball so far and so good, it makes the course look infinitely easier than it is.

In regards to the interview, Steve 19, the interviewer was trying to get Tiger into a Tiger-vs-Phil discussion, and I think that irked Tiger and he would not go there at all.

That was one of the best Masters Sundays in a very long time, but they were both just too far back to start with. Heck, if Norman would have "folded" like people are saying Perry did, with a 71 on Sunday, he would have won the '96 Masters by 2 shots instead of losing it by 5 shots. Now that's folding for you.

I think Sunday's round really showed the difference between Tiger and Phil, though. Tiger was not playing great but was grinding away, and when he turned his game around on the back nine, you could see it in his whole demeanor - that he knew he had a chance to win. When he didn't win, he took no consolation with playing well. He didn't enjoy it.

With Phil, he was laser-sharp right from the start (well, except for his opening drive) and he was having FUN. Even after the round, when he had given 3 or 4 shots away on the back none, he was disappointed about not winning, but felt good about playing a great round of golf in crunch time. What he realistically needed was a PERFECT round of golf to actually win, and that's not exactly Phil's forte, is it?

Gotta say, as a fan of the SPORT of golf, I love this post.

I've posted this type of info before, but I'll do it again. I wonder how many people realize what separates the top player in the world from the "lower tier players" as some like to refer to them as. Tiger has been the "curve buster",for many years because of his ridiculous numbers. But, historically, as well as this year, the top player and roughly the 40th rated player by scoring average are separated by exactly ONE stroke per 72 holes. ONE STINK'IN STROKE! Thats one 5 footer that drops as opposed to lipping out, over the ENTIRE tournament. Right now, Kenny Perry has the best scoring average at 69.39 strokes per 18. John Merrick and Charlie Wi are tied at #40 at 70.39. Guess who's #41. None other than Phil at 70.40.

Please, if you get a chance, try this link:
PGATOUR.com - PGA TOUR Statistics

I hope it works, because I think alot will be surprised by how many names show up "out" of the top 40 that they recognize as opposed to those "in" the top 40 who's names they do not.

Peace.
 
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WoodyWorshiper;1449237; said:
Gotta say, as a fan of the SPORT of golf, I love this post.

I've posted this type of info before, but I'll do it again. I wonder how many people realize what separates the top player in the world from the "lower tier players" as some like to refer to them as. Tiger has been the "curve buster",for many years because of his ridiculous numbers. But, historically, as well as this year, the top player and roughly the 40th rated player by scoring average are separated by exactly ONE stroke per 72 holes. ONE STINK'IN STROKE! Thats one 5 footer that drops as opposed to lipping out, over the ENTIRE tournament. Right now, Kenny Perry has the best scoring average at 69.39 strokes per 18. John Merrick and Charlie Wi are tied at #40 at 70.39. Guess who's #41. None other than Phil at 70.40.

Please, if you get a chance, try this link:
PGATOUR.com - PGA TOUR Statistics

I hope it works, because I think alot will be surprised by how many names show up "out" of the top 40 that they recognize as opposed to those "in" the top 40 who's names they do not.

Peace.

And IIRC when Phil and Tiger go head to head Tiger is on an average less than one stroke better than Phil.
 
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buckeyebri;1449920; said:
And IIRC when Phil and Tiger go head to head Tiger is on an average less than one stroke better than Phil.

When playing in the same group, they now stand at:

11: Tiger with the better score
09: Phil with the better score
04: even score
 
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