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The Game, tOSU at ttun, Nov. 27th,12pm FOX (3654 down to 0)

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Systems_id said:
I mean those comments were made behind closed doors and it got leaked. Keep in mind they were made when Harbaugh was being a disrespectful prick himself. I have no problem with what Day said. It’s not like he shot his mouth off in public like the dumbasses at SCUM usually do.
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It was supposedly said on a Big Ten coaches call. “Behind close doors” and “in your walls” are two different things. If you’re going to talk shit, then you back it up.
 
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Onebuckfan said:
This team lacked leadership..Doss would have had a fit playing with this bunch.
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This team was very young and the upperclassmen, in general, were underwhelming.

The young core is now bloodied. They've been through the wars.

Improve the coaching in certain positions, manage the roster and get back after it. The future is bright.
 
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Looking back on losses, you can usually chalk it up to some combination of talent, execution or coaching (or untimely holding calls if you are in the cult). For example, the Bama game last year was 90% talent, we couldn't beat that team if we played them 10 times. Talent can also reflect inexperience rather than raw talent. IMHO opinion, I put this at 75% coaching, 15% talent (on D), and 10% execution. I thought the play calling was very suspect on offense. For example, running our speed back up the gut three straight times at the beginning of the second half. On D, I though a bunch of their rushing yardage was when they had 8 guys blocking 4 or 5 of ours. You could see it at the snap of the ball. Generally, the innovative plays ame form their side, and it just felt like they were more ready to play than we were. Anyway, I deleted that game off my DVR so fast that I burned up my remote control. The sun came up this morning, although it was a little less scarlet than usual. Dammit.
 
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Poe McKnoe said:
It was supposedly said on a Big Ten coaches call. “Behind close doors” and “in your walls” are two different things. If you’re going to talk shit, then you back it up.
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Harbaugh's accusation was made during the coaches call and Day told him to "worry about his own team". The "hang 100 comment was made to the team in private and leaked.
 
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I’d say, as frustrated as we are, Michigan loses 9 SR starters going into 2022. A couple super seniors in that group as well as depth in other areas.

They could also lose several JR’s to draft.

OSU loses (5) senior starters. That’s a pretty significant difference. I heard Hafley talking about ACC player earlier this year saying he thought Wake, NC State, and Pitt would all have huge advantages this year with their experience and super seniors. It was Hafley’s opinion for (1) season, he’d rather have a super senior than a 5* freshman.

Besides 27 degree temperature, snow, poor play-calling, etc……they also had a SIGNIFICANT experience advantage.

I still think the Bucks are miles ahead. It took a perfect storm for yesterday to happen.
 
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billmac91 said:
I’d say, as frustrated as we are, Michigan loses 9 SR starters going into 2022. A couple super seniors in that group as well as depth in other areas.

They could also lose several JR’s to draft.

OSU loses (5) senior starters. That’s a pretty significant difference. I heard Hafley talking about ACC player earlier this year saying he thought Wake, NC State, and Pitt would all have huge advantages this year with their experience and super seniors. It was Hafley’s opinion for (1) season, he’d rather have a super senior than a 5* freshman.

Besides 27 degree temperature, snow, poor play-calling, etc……they also had a SIGNIFICANT experience advantage.

I still think the Bucks are miles ahead. It took a perfect storm for yesterday to happen.
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With you on all that. I would add the qualifier that the Bucks are miles ahead but need to unfuck the defense...roster and coaching.

That is a foundational thing that's been off for a while now.
 
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billmac91 said:
I’d say, as frustrated as we are, Michigan loses 9 SR starters going into 2022. A couple super seniors in that group as well as depth in other areas.

They could also lose several JR’s to draft.

OSU loses (5) senior starters. That’s a pretty significant difference. I heard Hafley talking about ACC player earlier this year saying he thought Wake, NC State, and Pitt would all have huge advantages this year with their experience and super seniors. It was Hafley’s opinion for (1) season, he’d rather have a super senior than a 5* freshman.

Besides 27 degree temperature, snow, poor play-calling, etc……they also had a SIGNIFICANT experience advantage.

I still think the Bucks are miles ahead. It took a perfect storm for yesterday to happen.
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Their skill players are almost all back (as corum/Edwards will be fine). They lose 3 OL. On d they lose a handful, and lose both DEs (most have them pegged as top 15ish picks), and daxton hill is a strong possibility to declare.

Next year was supposed to be their stronger year.

There's also the matter of whether this success makes other teams call after their assistants. And how they do as the alpha instead of the chip wearing underdog.
 
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jwinslow said:
Their skill players are almost all back (as corum/Edwards will be fine). They lose 3 OL. On d they lose a handful, and lose both DEs (most have them pegged as top 15ish picks), and daxton hill is a strong possibility to declare.

Next year was supposed to be their stronger year.

There's also the matter of whether this success makes other teams call after their assistants. And how they do as the alpha instead of the chip wearing underdog.
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Wait. You don't think McNamara is going to declare and go pro early?
 
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Jaxbuck said:
With you on all that. I would add the qualifier that the Bucks are miles ahead but need to unfuck the defense...roster and coaching.

That is a foundational thing that's been off for a while now.
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I think it’s a whole combination of things, but at its foundation it seems to stem from Day wanting a certain style of bend-but-don’t-break defense that doesn’t give up quick big plays and allows the offense to do the heavy lifting for the team.

In the weather yesterday, on the road, with a first year QB in the biggest rivalry in the sport, play calling on offense was restricted, which was obviously a problem.

In a way, I don’t really even blame Day. He was screwed by circumstances that caused him to make bad decisions, it was Michigan, in the snow, with a young QB on the road, of course we needed to run the ball. But Michigan, like everyone else for the last decade, was selling out to stop the run and Day needed to shift to what the defense was giving him much sooner, which was throwing.

That first drive on the second half was an absolute killer, we needed to come out guns blazing and we ran a stretch play on third and short. Slow developing stretch runs against a defense going all out at the LOS just wasn’t going to cut it

If we take Michigan slightly out of their comfort zone by scoring on that first drive we might have been able to give the D more of a chance, but a quick three and out and we just got buried.

Going back to the defense, I think Coombs was an unmitigated disaster of a hire, and while Barnes was duct tape for the season, that fell off and a permanent repair is needed.

The fundamental issue to me, which I’ve been saying for two years, is too much thinking/reacting… not enough playing/attacking.

I think this is due to 1) changing things up mid season, resulting in players who aren’t comfortable/confident in the system.

And the Coombs failure resulting in a lack of overall leadership on the defense and a lack of confidence from the guys calling plays to attack within the bend-but-don’t-break scheme, much less make adjustments in-game to react to whatever the offense is doing.

The players lack confidence, the coaches lacked confidence, resulting in just trying to react rather than attack.

It was apparent all year to varying degrees, and getting punched in the mouth in the snow is particularly devastating for a defense that is fundamentally incapable of doing anything but reacting to what the offense is doing.

The defense needs an overall architect at the top that has the knowledge and confidence in whatever scheme they’re running to unleash the athletes at their disposal—to attack and impose their will instead of just sitting back and trying to respond.

That person is not on the coaching staff right now.
 
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Buckeye86 said:
The defense needs an overall architect at the top that has the knowledge and confidence in whatever scheme they’re running to unleash the athletes at their disposal—to attack and impose their will instead of just sitting back and trying to respond.

That person is not on the coaching staff right now.
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Totally agree.
 
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