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Game Thread THE GAME, 11/26/16, 12pm ET, ABC

BTW I have been having a rather heated discussion with some members of the DFBIA and I am wondering what you guys think.

I think Urban is the best coach in college football. I actually think he is better than Saban. But Saban is the greatest program builder I have ever seen and can recruit. I just think Saban has it pretty good running his semi-pro squad down in Bama and he is not really playing on a level playing field with the rest of the world. And also he is a douche bag. Don't get me wrong I love my man MD but Urban is on another level.

Urban has won big everywhere he has coached. And won in the SEC (hear the angels sing). He has done it with different tweaks in offense and defense. He just knows how to coach and win. He has owned the B10 since his arrival and will play in his 2nd NC tournament and honestly his 1st year he was 12-0 and so I kind of feel he deserved some kind of cudo for that season.

But my discussion revolves around old khaki pants. I am just not sold he is a top 5 coach. Is he good, yeah he is good. But look at his big game choke jobs. He has 5 regular season loses.

- Utah - I give him a pass, first game team was way way sideways
- MSU blocked punt game - his team gave it away
- OSU - can you say beat down
- Iowa - again another choke job
- OSU - How can you say a guy is a good coach when his in game adjustments are so bad in big games? His team had 5 yards in the 4th quarter and 36 yards total after the 3rd quarter ended. And he cost his team 15 yards for being a DB on the sidelines. So net 21 yards....

I agree that he has taken the program from a dumpster fire to pretty solid in a crazy quick time. But where is it headed? They just lost their whole starting Defense. The offense still can not run against real programs, and he has the creativity of a rock. This was the last year that SCum in the next couple will go into the USO game as not a huge underdog. OSU was as down as they can be this year. Literally the 3rd youngest team in NCAA football. And yet SCum with a senior laden team and multiple ALL Americans on Defense gets just housed in the 4th quarter and in OT?

I think Khaki is a weird uniquely driven coach. I just am waiting for him to finish the deal. It has not happened anywhere. I am beginning to think he is the Larry Brown of football. He can win but no one can stand to have him around too long. Or he just needs to keep moving. A good coach but will never be considered great. Time will tell. But he is now 1-3 in rivalry games. And should be 3-1.......or at least 2-2. I mean OSU begged SCum to win that game this past weekend and they refused to take it so the Bucks snatched it.
 
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In terms of a purely passing QB I'd say McSorely, Hornibrook and Speight outperformed JT this year. I am still trying to figure out what has happened to him since 2014.

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Start with this right here; just ask them to compare Hokes first 2 years and RainMan's first 2. Include recruiting class rankings.

How much better has Rain Man done?
Recruiting classes: push
Bowl Appearances: Hoke (Sugar 2011, Outback 2012)
Rivalry games: Hoke 2-2
Total losses: Harbaugh (by one, and Harbaugh hasn't had to play Alabama to open the season like Hoke did in 2012)

Advantage: Hoke

Harbaugh should be able to lure enough talent to prevent the ship from sinking like Hoke's tenure at Michigan.
 
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Some of you said you wanted them on their knees and broken. Others, that you wanted to break their hearts in a close one. Well, you have your evidence now.

Which did you really enjoy the best? Isn't it nice that they are considered a "quality" opponent that helps our chances of getting into the NC?

I mean, this is nice. Really nice.

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But, really, did it make you feel as good as this?

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Some of you said you wanted them on their knees and broken. Others, that you wanted to break their hearts in a close one. Well, you have your evidence now.

Which did you really enjoy the best? Isn't it nice that they are considered a "quality" opponent that helps our chances of getting into the NC?

I mean, this is nice. Really nice.

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But, really, did it make you feel as good as this?

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I'll take A every time without fail and no exception.

B was great but I don't want it that close ever again.
 
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