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Game Thread THE GAME: #1 Ohio State 42, #2 Michigan 39 (11/18/06)

bukIpower, this is not remotely the same defense that took the field against TX and NIU. We have improved greatly since then.
As long as we can be in a 4-3 and not the nickel, we will stop Hart.
Also, we will have to spread them out to run the ball - but this game will be all about being successful the first 2 or 3 possessions with the passing game to set up our running game. If that happens, we will move the ball and score.
The Ball St game also showed that there is a HUGE dropoff for scUM from their 1st team D to their 2nd team. We, on the other hand can substitute more and be fresher in the 2nd half.

24-16 Buckeyes
 
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Cornerback6;662269; said:
You can't really speak on our offensive performance in the PSU game considering the absolutely horrible conditions. Trying to measure the quality of their secondary in that game is a fairly moot point.

If you were talking at me.

RE: PSU and tOSU

A) Both teams play on the same field
B) I wasn't comparing them just on that one game.
C) I do know that vs uOFm, MSU recievers were getting open, vs tOSU they were not, I plan on none being open vs PSU on Sat either.
 
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Wednesday, November 15, 2006 Doug Lesmerises

... Then Athletic Director Gene Smith addressed the team before the season about the chance to go wire-to-wire as the No. 1 team in the polls, something no Ohio State team has ever done. In fact, only six teams - 1943 Notre Dame, 1945 Army, 1971 Nebraska, 1972 Southern Cal, 1999 Florida State and 2004 Southern Cal - have been atop the AP poll from the preseason through the end of the bowl games

Incorrect, Doug, it's only been done in 1999 and 2004.

There was no preseason poll in 1943 or 1945, it started in 1950.

In 1971, Notre Dame was #1 in the AP preseason poll.

In 1972, Nebraska was #1 in the AP preseason poll, USC was 8th. Amazingly they shot up to #1 after a 31-10 win at Arkansas.
 
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College football junkies had their eyes turned north to East Lansing, Mich., on that cool, gray afternoon 40 years ago to see the nationally televised "Game of the Century" between No. 1 Notre Dame (8-0) and No. 2 Michigan State (9-0).

Due to TV appearance limitations, the 1966 "Game of the Century" between ND and MSU was televised live regionally. Due to the interest in the game, however, it was televised nationally on tape delay later that day.

For Griffin, his most unforgettable game was Ohio State's 21-14 win over the Wolverines in 1975.
"That was a game we were behind in. We were rated No. 2 in the country going into that game and they had two ties. They were really taking it to us that day. We were down 14-7 with about four minutes to go in the game and we had to make something happen," Griffin said.
Cornelius Greene led Ohio State on an 80-yard scoring drive to tie the game at 14-14, then Griffin?s brother Ray intercepted a pass and took it inside Michigans 5-yard line. Pete Johnson's touchdown run won it for OSU.
"They were always a tough, tough battle," Griffin said about the Michigan games he played. "And I was always glad it was the last game of the regular season because I know that after some of those games I probably wouldn't have been able to play the next week because the game was so physical."

tOSU was actually #1 going into the 1975 game.
 
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st8ofmind;662241; said:
2. Yes they go into Nickel, and no they don't have 'weak' db's but they are beatable. Probably as good or better than PSU's, which was not a cakewalk for you guys.
That's very debatable. Harrison is streaky, and Sears/Stewart have given up big plays. Their safeties are average in coverage.
 
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jwinslow;662334; said:
That's very debatable. Harrison is streaky, and Sears/Stewart have given up big plays. Their safeties are average in coverage.

Bingo, this is what I've been saying all along.

Michigan's secondary is giving up over 200 yards passing per game, and that is even with a great defensive line. A great defensive line can disguise a bad secondary because they can force the opposing QB to make bad decisions, with the DB's reaping the benefits. Even with this great defensive line their secondary hasn't been very good. If Ohio State can give Smith time, he's going to light up the Michigan secondary.

I really hope that Michigan comes in this game with the intention of blitzing a lot. If so, we'll have their safeties and corners in man coverage. :chompy:
 
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That's what I'm talking about guys... I hope Hall covers Ginn because Ginn will still win half of those battles he'll get his 3-7 catches. Who from michigan will keep up with the others? Surely not Trent who has been at times very bad, or the 5'9" kid from ohio, and definatly not the safties. They let Ball State go deep on them for fucks sake. Also name the last time someone went deep on Ohio State and scored? The last I can remember is when Braylon Edwards caught a pass over an unhealthy Dustin Fox when the game was basically already decided. The pass fron SDSU last year was a screen so that's not typically a deep pass, but the difference IMO between our secondary/scUM's secondary is that they have the tendancy to let people get behind them. All in all I see the buckeyes making scUM earn their yardage where as tosu will probably have a couple big plays.

Everyone keeps saying Manningham will get deep atleast once. What? Why? because he torched ND or Minnesota? Maybe they should ask how many times will Ted Ginn get deep? Oh I forgot Troy will be playing from his ass because our 5 o-lineman who average 6'7" 300 or so pounds won't hold up to the vaunted 4 man rush. Not to mention we have a QB (unlike any they have faced in this regaurd) who can evade the rush and throw a strike downfield.

NightmaresDad- oh I'm not saying we can't stop Hart because I think we can/will. What I was saying was that we've passed to set up the run before and we can do it again if needed.
 
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I see this too...So far Michigan has been pretty carefull in how they talk right now but from time to time they are saying things that are coming off as borderline arrogant/cocky.

Henne saying they're confident and they deserve to win. You got Woodley who's talking about how it doesn't matter about the past because this defense is bigger, faster, stronger. Carr's storming out of conferences.

I would understand that Michigan is tired of the Ohio State has your number talk, but sometimes when you come into a game pissed/fired up at the opposition you do nothing but shoot yourself in the foot and give the game away. In that way I'm talking about personal fouls, holdings, unsportsmanlike conduct, and not doing the little things to win the game.

On the other hand you got our team who acknowledges this is the biggest game of thier lives but has done nothing but praised michigan and thier talent from players-coaches. I don't know bout many buy Llllloyd flipping out to me seems like the pressure is getting to him. If the pressure is getting to him you can only imagine the players.
 
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ESPN

Michigan-Ohio State grabs top billing in Week 12

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By Jim Donnan
ESPN.com



JUDGMENT DAY
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Troy Smith will have a large say in who goes home victorious.


By Jim Donnan, ESPN.com I'll never forget when Jim Tressel was introduced as the head coach at Ohio State. At halftime of an Ohio State-Michigan basketball game, he told the crowd, "I can assure you that you will be proud of your young people in the classroom, in the community and most especially in 310 days in Ann Arbor, Mich."
That comment speaks volumes about the intensity of Saturday's rivalry game (ABC, 3:30 p.m. ET). Tressel knew what he had to do to be considered successful in the eyes of Buckeyes fans, and he has succeeded, earning a 4-1 record against Michigan.
This year's edition features a number of intriguing matchups. Both quarterbacks -- No. 1 Ohio State's Troy Smith and No. 2 Michigan's Chad Henne -- have evolved dramatically since they last met on the field. Smith has developed into the total quarterback with his poise; he is calm and comfortable in the pocket. Chad Henne, who was hampered by poor decision making in the past, has cut down on his sacks while increasing his completion percentage. Both quarterbacks have stepped up their games in hostile environments: Smith at Texas, Henne at Notre Dame.
As good as these quarterbacks are, neither will be asked to win this game by himself. Both benefit from their talented teammates. Running back Mike Hart opens up the passing game for Michigan and is the difference between the 2005 edition of the Wolverines and the current edition. Henne also has three big targets in Mario Manningham (who has been hampered by an injury), Steve Breaston and Adrian Arrington. Smith, meanwhile, relies on game-breaker Ted Ginn Jr., Anthony Gonzalez and running back Antonio Pittman.
But for all the attention each team's offense receives, the defenses might be better: Michigan ranks first in the nation in rush defense, third in total defense and fifth in scoring defense. The Wolverines boasts powerful defenders and one of the country's top special teams units. There is a lot of hidden yardage to be gained in the return game, and both Ginn and Breaston have the ability to take it all the way. Ohio State is also nationally ranked; the Buckeyes are No. 1 in scoring defense, and in the top 10 for pass efficiency and total defense. The Buckeyes are opportunistic, and the key for Michigan will be pounding the ball.
This game will be decided in the small plays and the plays people don't expect; each team might receive only one or two chances to make a difference to decide the game. Preparation is crucial for a game of this magnitude, and much of the responsibility for getting the team up to speed will fall on the scout team. It must do a good job of executing so the starters know what to expect and how to handle every situation.
There is only so much you can do on the field to prepare your team for a rivalry game, but there are many things you can do off the field to get your players in the right mind-set. Of the tactics I have employed as a coach in this situation, here are a few of my favorites:
1. The night before the game, have players stand up and say who they are going to play the game for and dedicate the game ball to -- a parent, friend, coach -- someone who inspires them to play their hearts out. You can't use this every year, but it can be an effective strategy.
2. On your team's bulletin board, post everything that has been written in the past year about the other team. This always adds a little fuel to the fire.
3. Every coach has his own routine, but one thing I liked to do once a season on a Friday night was gather the team before they went to sleep and talk to them one last time. On every team, there is someone who can imitate the coaches really well -- let them take the stage. It lightens up the mood and shows that the coach is "bustable" and that not everything is super-serious. You want to show the players the human side of the game.
4. A lot can be done between Thursday and Saturday, and it's crucial to separate the players from the hoopla surrounding the game -- this even includes family and friends, who might put undue pressure on the players. Convince your players that they're heading into a test in which they know all the answers, so they'll play the game loose and confident.
 
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ESPN

Ginn, Breaston have chance to exceed expectations

By Bruce Hooley
Special to ESPN.com



The irony that accompanies the one uncommon talent they have in common is as cruel as it is indisputable.
Although Ohio State's Ted Ginn Jr. and Michigan's Steve Breaston have been blessed with speed that is at once audacious, bodacious and outrageous, the simple truth is this:
Neither of them has ever been able to outrun expectations.
Oh, sure, each enters the mammoth Saturday matchup (ABC, 3:30 p.m. ET) of Ginn's No. 1 Buckeyes vs. Breaston's No. 2 Wolverines with an extensive r?sum? and a bulging highlight reel.
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Jim Tressel thinks Ginn has become a complete receiver this season.


But for both of them, the close of their final college season (yes, Ginn is a junior, but he is gone to the NFL as sure as the sunrise) could be about leaving a final indelible impression that will at last satisfy those previously left wanting more.
That's what happens when you can cover ground like Breaston and Ginn do. No amount of touchdown catches or return wizardry is ever enough because, well, if you can do it once, why not all the time?
So even though both players rank among the leaders in assorted Big Ten categories, there's the lingering opinion that neither has quite maximized his respectively ridiculous abilities to leave opponents breathing exhaust.
"He's had a great year," Michigan coach Lloyd Carr said of Breaston, who scored twice in Michigan's 34-3 victory over Indiana on Saturday. "He does a lot of things that are maybe unappreciated."
Ginn, too, gets the praise of his head coach.
"I think Teddy has become a complete receiver this year," OSU's Jim Tressel said. "He's worked hard to make himself better at all aspects of his position. He blocks, he runs good routes and he catches the ball well. What else is there?"
Well, lots more, if you listen to the starstruck who can't go from zero to see-you-later in an eyeblink, as Ginn and Breaston have both shown they can.
The Heisman Trophy that likely will go to quarterback Troy Smith was supposed to be Ginn's as early as last season, and certainly by this season, given the way he rocketed to prominence as a freshman.
Four punt-return touchdowns that season and eight scores on 55 total touches -- an otherworldly ratio of one TD per seven snaps to come his way -- raised the bar to a level Ginn couldn't approach again.
That has caused his development as a receiver to get lost, but Ginn is tied for third in the league in receptions (51), is sixth in receiving yards per game (61.5) and is tied for third in touchdown catches (8).
Ginn is also eighth in kickoff returns (20.2) and second in punt returns (12.1), having taken the sixth of his career back for a score earlier this season.
Breaston registered his fourth career punt-return TD at Indiana, where he also caught three passes for 103 yards and one touchdown.
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Breaston set the bar high after a fast start four years ago.


That was, however, Breaston's first 100-yard receiving performance in 43 games, dating to a six-catch, 109-yard, two-score day at Oregon as a freshman in 2003.
Play that well that early in your career and the appetites are whetted for more than 146 career catches for 1,563 yards and nine scores.
Clearly, Breaston has been consistent, ranking just six catches out of Michigan's career top five. He just hasn't been consistently spectacular, which is what's demanded when you rack up 223 return yards in the Rose Bowl as a sophomore.
Never mind that Breason has caught at least one pass in 26 consecutive games and in 42 of his past 43 games, he's been in the shadow of first Braylon Edwards and now Mario Manningham.
As for Ginn, he has caught at least one pass in 29 consecutive games and had multiple catches in 27 straight.
He already has thrown for one score, run for two more, returned six punts for touchdowns, brought back a kickoff for a TD and caught 13 touchdown passes in his career.
Which is great, but, you know, Ted, if you can do all that occasionally, why not always?
Saturday affords Ginn and Breaston a chance to leave a legacy reserved only for those who deliver on the biggest stage ever afforded this storied rivalry.
With punters Zoltan Mesko of Michigan and A.J. Trapasso of Ohio State in a dead heat at 41.2 yards per attempt, and with kickers Aaron Pettrey of the Buckeyes (8-of-11) and Garrett Rivas of the Wolverines (15-of-18) similarly solid on field goals, the 103rd installment could hinge on whether Ginn or Breaston can get into the end zone, as receivers, as rushers or on special teams.
Both have done so once before in the series, both in their freshman seasons.
It was Ginn's 82-yard punt return that broke open OSU's 37-21 upset of the Wolverines in 2004 that denied Michigan an outright Big Ten championship.
The season before that, it was Breaston's surprise 3-yard run as a quarterback that started Michigan toward a 35-21 triumph that denied the Buckeyes in their bid to wrest the conference title away.
So who races off with the laurels this time?
Ready?
Set?
Go.
 
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ESPN

Arrington could be tried for domestic violence

By Joe Schad
Special to ESPN.com



Michigan junior wide receiver Adrian Arrington moved one step closer on Wednesday to facing trial following a misdemeanor charge of domestic violence. But the pending charge should not affect Arrington's participation in Saturday's game between the Wolverines and Ohio State.
At Arrington's pretrial hearing in Ypsilanti, Mich., on Wednesday, a new court date of Nov. 30 was set for what is called final settlement conference, according to a record in the Ypsilanti court criminal division.
Because no resolution was reached on Wednesday, Nov. 30 will be the final opportunity for a resolution or jury selection will begin on Dec. 4.
Arrington was charged following an Oct. 13 incident involving his girlfriend, Jodi Hupe. According to a police report, Arrington pulled his girlfriend from a vehicle.
"Mr. Arrington maintains he did not assault his girlfriend and more importantly, his girlfriend maintains that she was not assaulted," Arrington's attorney Chris Easthope of Ann Arbor said Wednesday.
Michigan coach Lloyd Carr has said that he does not believe the facts of the case, as he knows them, warrant suspension. The courts have said Arrington can travel to road games and home for the holidays.
 
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i put this on the 2006 defense outlook thread, but think it needs to be shared:

some very interesting numbers:

since giving up 151 yards to northern illinois and 172 to texas, our defense has given up 74 yards per game and 2.15 yards per carry. last year's defense led the nation in rush defense at 73 yards per game. and it gave up 2.35 yards per carry. also, last year's defense had 44 sacks in 12 games, further reducing the rushing totals by 294 yards. this year's defense has 30 sacks for minus 238. so, without plugging in the numbers, this year's defense, in the past nine games and taking out the sack totals, has given up fewer yards per game and per carry than the '05 defense.

i know you can't take away those first two games, but i think we would all agree the defense, not looking at the numbers, has made a dramatic improvement.
 
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