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Game Thread THE GAME: #1 Ohio State 42, #2 Michigan 39 (11/18/06)

Chicago Tribune Quote:

"Michigan coach Lloyd Carr supports Arrington. He said after Saturday's victory over Iowa that "the facts do not support the allegation."

"As I mentioned, in that police report, there are a few cases down through history where there are inaccuracies," Carr said Tuesday. "That's all I'm going to say in that matter."

The article does not state that Carr investigated the matter and concluded that the "facts do not support the allegation". huh!
 
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You gotta chuckle. There is now a thread on the Michigan board that the Columbus police are 'considering' issuing an arrest warrant against Burgess for CDs he stole when he was 14. Got some Michigan folks all upset.

Kinda funny since Burgess isn't from Columbus and it is also a bit out of the norm for a police department to discuss charges they are thinking of filing. Oh, and the music store is supposedly out of business, so I am not sure who would be filing the charges.

With the injury fabrications and now this kind of stuff message boards could become pretty painful before this game finally gets here.
 
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JonathanXC;642468; said:
They are two great defenses...Michigan might get the edge, but not by a lot.

Tell me, how does Michigan get the edge?

Scoring defense: OSU 8.3 ppg (#1), scUM 12.6 ppg (#9) (OSU is over 5 ppg better)
Opp yards needed per TD: OSU 275 yards, scUM 181 yards
Pass defense: OSU #34, scUM #73
TO margin: OSU +11 (#4), scUM +9 (#10)
TO gained: OSU 17, scUM 15
Interceptions: OSU #3, scUM #75

scUM may have the numbers edge in total defense (exactly 30 ypg) and rushing defense, but in most other categories--including the most important: scoring defense--we lead.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;643918; said:
Tell me, how does Michigan get the edge?

Scoring defense: OSU 8.3 ppg (#1), scUM 12.6 ppg (#9) (OSU is over 5 ppg better)
Opp yards needed per TD: OSU 275 yards, scUM 181 yards
Pass defense: OSU #34, scUM #73
TO margin: OSU +11 (#4), scUM +9 (#10)
TO gained: OSU 17, scUM 15
Interceptions: OSU #3, scUM #75

scUM may have the numbers edge in total defense (exactly 30 ypg) and rushing defense, but in most other categories--including the most important: scoring defense--we lead.

But, but...we're too inexperienced to be good!! :roll1: Well, atleast we're supposed to be according to the talking heads.
 
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Hot seats: U-M, OSU tickets hit $4,270
Angelique S. Chengelis / The Detroit News


You might need to take out a loan to attend what could be the biggest regular-season game in college football this year.
Ticket brokers are asking as much as $4,270 for a lower-level club seat on the 42-yard line at Ohio Stadium to attend the Nov. 18 grudge match between Michigan and Ohio State. Bargain hunters might be satisfied with shelling out $700 for an end-zone seat.
The face value of a ticket to the game is $59. Clearly, this is not your average regular-season finale between the bitter rivals.
Ohio State is the nation's top-ranked team, U-M is No. 2. They are 23 days from the game, and if the teams remain unbeaten, that will set the stage for a meeting that will have the look and feel of a national championship game. It would also be the first time the teams met as the top two ranked teams in the country.
The winner will earn a spot in the Bowl Championship Series national title game Jan. 8. The loser appears headed to the New Year's Day Rose Bowl.
The average price so far for a ticket to this game sold by StubHub, a San Francisco-based ticket broker, has been $858. By comparison, StubHub's average ticket price for this year's World Series between the Tigers and Cardinals has been $624.
"More than likely, this will be our highest average regular-season price for a college football game in the history of the company," said Sean Pate, public relations director for StubHub. "The Ohio State-Michigan game is a high-demand event every year, but this year there's going to be substantially more attention for this game."
Tickets to the Southern California-Texas national championship game last January at the Rose Bowl averaged roughly $1,000, Pate said.
Obviously, face-value tickets are hard to come by. The Ohio Stadium capacity is 101,568 and there are seats for 97,875. Michigan received a mere 4,030 tickets -- essentially the standard number Big Ten schools allot for visiting teams from the league -- to sell to their fans, and there are no tickets available at either school's ticket offices.
"They're all spoken for," Marty Bodnar, Michigan associate athletic director for ticketing and marketing, said of U-M's allotment. "Demand is far exceeding supply. From my standpoint, I'm in uncharted territory as far as demand. This could be the biggest game in this rivalry's history.
"I get a lot of calls and a lot of e-mails (requesting tickets), and I tell people, 'No,' plain and simple."
With Penn State and Michigan on Ohio State's home schedule this year, and with all of the preseason hype surrounding the Buckeyes, Jones said tickets for Buckeye games have been in high demand all season.
"Michigan tickets are always difficult to come by," said Bill Jones, senior director of ticketing at Ohio State. "But we had more than 6,000 students above normal request tickets this year and our alumni orders doubled over last year."
In 1997, Michigan was ranked No. 1 and Ohio State No. 4 when the Wolverines won, 20-14, at Michigan Stadium, preserving their unbeaten record. The last time OSU entered the game ranked No. 1 was 1975, and the fourth-ranked Wolverines upset OSU, 21-14, at Michigan Stadium.
"It's always a special game," Jones said. "It could be incredible. It could be a No. 1 vs. No. 2 matchup with a lot on the line."
Joel Schwartz, a ticket broker and owner of Southfield-based Big Time Worldwide, said weather could be a factor by game week, and that might drive down asking prices.
"Prices usually come down the week of, anyway," Schwartz said.
You can reach Angelique S. Chengelis at [email protected]
 
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College football Leaner & meaner
Michigan became quicker by trimming some fat

October 26, 2006
By Ralph D. Russo The Associated press
ANN ARBOR, Mich. -- The winged helmets haven't changed a bit since coach Herbert O. "Fritz" Crisler came up with the idea in 1938. Head equipment manager Jon Falk was hired by Bo Schembechler more than three decades ago, and the big block M logo, maybe the most recognizable in college sports, has been around longer than anyone at the school can remember.
Stability and continuity are the pillars upon which Michigan has become college football's winningest program. For many fans, the Wolverines' 7-5 record last season was not worthy of that tradition.
Coach Lloyd Carr's greatest sin in the eyes of his critics has been his perceived inflexibility. Others, however, call it consistency. That's a trait Michigan embraces.

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Michigan offensive lineman Jake Long talks with head coach Lloyd Carr during a college football game against Iowa last Saturday in Ann Arbor, Mich.
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"We do fine tune (at Michigan)," athletic director Bill Martin said. "It's an evolutionary process, though. It's not a revolutionary process." That 7-5 season did spark a revolution of sorts.
"There's nobody here that wanted to go through that again," said Carr, in his 12th season as head coach and 26th year coaching in Ann Arbor.
Carr changed both coordinators and trimmed the fat from his team -- literally.
A leaner, meaner Michigan is now unbeaten, No. 2 in the country and entering the final month of the season positioned to make a run at the school's first national title since 1997. All that remains for the Wolverines are three teams with losing records, starting Saturday with Northwestern, and archrival Ohio State.
It's hard to quibble with Carr's record of 110-34 at Michigan. He's won five Big Ten titles and could be playing for a sixth -- along with a spot in the BCS title game -- Nov. 18 when the Wolverines face the top-ranked Buckeyes and coach Jim Tressel, who made it four victories in five games against Carr and Michigan last season.
When the Wolverines fail to live up to the lofty standards created by years of success, Michigan football can seem stodgy and stale, almost held hostage by its cherished history.
Last year was one of those years.
During Michigan's worst season since 1984, the Wolverines had the lead in the final six minutes of four of their five losses. But they couldn't finish, couldn't run the ball to salt away wins, couldn't protect a lead defensively.
"In looking at maybe why we weren't able to do those things it became obvious to me that we could increase our mobility, our quickness, our stamina, by being a better conditioned team, by losing weight and being a quicker team," Carr said.
There was more to getting in shape than just dropping a few pounds.
"It's really more about an attitude and being committed to the program," said 297-pound guard Adam Kraus, who lost about 10 pounds.
"When we came back from that bowl game, when we lost to Nebraska, you could see it in guys eyes that they were ready to go. They were ready to commit," said defensive end LaMarr Woodley, who's as ripped as the pumped-up Woody Woodpecker tattooed on his huge left biceps.
"All winter conditioning, guys were committed, running harder, running extra laps. Spring ball came around, you could see guys working hard every day to get better. After spring ball, I knew this was going to be a good team."
Under new defensive coordinator Ron English, who was promoted from secondary coach, the Wolverines' defense has been unleashed. Woodley leads a ferocious front seven that is using its increased speed to attack offenses. The Wolverines lead the nation in run defense, allowing 33.6 yards per game and have a conference best 30 sacks, led by Woodley's nine.
The running game has returned, too. With tailback Mike Hart recovered from a hamstring injury that hampered him most of last season, new coordinator Mike DeBord has the Wolverines overpowering opponents again. The 5-foot-9 Hart is second in the Big Ten in rushing, helping Michigan lead the conference in time of possession.
"We're not the same team as last year," quarterback Chad Henne said. "We're more balanced, and our defense is playing great."
The funny thing is, the Wolverines ARE practically the same team.
Michigan (8-0) started 13 seniors and seven juniors, including Henne and Hart, in a 20-6 victory over Iowa last week.
The core of this team wasn't just around for last season's disaster, it was very much responsible for it.
"Michigan having a 7-5 season, that's not how Michigan football is," Woodley said. "It's not good when you're 7-5. People talk bad about you. They start talking bad about your coach."
Martin got an earful -- or rather an in-boxful -- about his coach.
"I would get tons of e-mail from folks: Lloyd's over the hill. Time to move on. Time to go a different direction," Martin said. "I was 180 degrees from that. Lloyd has been absolutely the right fit for Michigan from so many perspectives. You can't make changes on what happened last Saturday and what happened last year."
The second week of the season, Michigan made it clear how much things had changed. The Wolverines blitzed the Fighting Irish 47-21, snapping a two-game losing streak to Notre Dame and a three-game slide in South Bend.
 
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every year it comes around, and every year i swear the hype is more...ESPECIALLY this year..

but, it sucks wishing for the michigan game to come, because it is the last regular season game and basically the season is just about done...

i guess we should just let the weeks play out, enjoy the games we have left and wait for 11/18
 
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Hot seats: U-M, OSU tickets hit $4,270
Angelique S. Chengelis / The Detroit News


In 1997, Michigan was ranked No. 1 and Ohio State No. 4 when the Wolverines won, 20-14, at Michigan Stadium, preserving their unbeaten record. The last time OSU entered the game ranked No. 1 was 1975, and the fourth-ranked Wolverines upset OSU, 21-14, at Michigan Stadium.

WHAT????!!!
TALK ABOUT YOUR REVISIONIST HISTORY!
 
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ESPN

Week 9: Streaks pending as we wait for OSU-UM


By Dave Revsine
Special to ESPN.com
Archive


For all the craziness and great finishes of last weekend, we're still essentially right where we were seven days ago in terms of the race for the BCS title game. It's beginning to look more and more as if we'll have our second "Game of the Century" of this season on Nov. 18 when Michigan travels to Columbus for a showdown with Ohio State. Now that Michigan has gotten past Iowa, the schedules really couldn't be much easier for the two schools between now and then.
8-16: Michigan's next three opponents before the big game (Northwestern, Ball State and Indiana) are a combined 8-16 this year. Each one has lost more games to I-AA opponents this year than the Wolverines have lost to anyone.
7-17: As for the Buckeyes' three remaining opponents before The Big One (Minnesota, Illinois and that same Northwestern team), they are a combined 7-17.

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Bret Bielema has pulled off a first for Wisconsin football.



21: In hindsight, it turns out that the Buckeyes caught a bit of a scheduling break this season by missing Wisconsin. In what figured to be an average year for the Badgers, first-year coach Bret Bielema has managed to do something that his predecessor, Barry Alvarez never did -- win four straight Big 10 games all by at least 21 points.
Turns out Barry wasn't the only one who fell short of that mark. Dave McClain didn't do it, and Milt Bruhn didn't do it; neither did Glenn Thistlewaite nor J.R. Richards (not to be confused with former major league pitcher J.R. Richard -- though he didn't do it either). Fact is, until now, the Badgers had never won four straight conference games by three TDs. That's in a football-playing history that dates back to 1889.
With Wisconsin a nonfactor for Ohio State, though, it still looks like we have two options for the BCS tile game: the Michigan-Ohio State winner vs. USC, or the Michigan-Ohio State winner vs. a team to be determined by mass chaos.
The numbers continue to tell us this USC team is nowhere near last year's -- not an indictment of them by any stretch, just an indication that the mass chaos is a strong possibility, when you consider that USC still has to play Oregon (not looking as daunting as it did a few weeks ago), Cal and Notre Dame in successive weeks.
Last week, we looked at some of the Trojans' offensive woes as compared to last year. This week, it's the defense's turn.
9: The Trojans have nine sacks through six games. Last year's team finished with 32.
10: USC has 10 takeaways this year. They finished with 38 last year. As I chronicled earlier in the year, turnover margin has been one of the staples of Carroll's success at USC -- as the Trojans are plus-97 in his tenure. Over the last five games, they're minus-two.
USC went from second to third in the BCS standings this week -- really a trivial move unless something absolutely bizarre happens in that Ohio State-Michigan game that doesn't cause the loser to fall beyond second.
The other undefeated team to keep an eye on -- Boise State, which went from 18th to 15th last week. Remember -- if they finish in the top 12, they're automatically in to a BCS game.
At least one Bronco did more than his fair share last week:
8: Thanks to a made-for-TV scheduling quirk, the Broncos played two games in one calendar week -- one on Sunday and one on Saturday. They won them both, and Ian Johnson scored four TDs in each game -- meaning Johnson technically scored eight TDs in one week. He's guaranteed to go scoreless this week, though, as the Broncos don't play again until Wednesday, Nov. 1 (versus Fresno State).
Back to the one-loss teams hoping for chaos: the Florida Gators. But for all the hype surrounding coach Urban Meyer's vastly improved offense, we bring you this thought -- Meyer's offense still has yet to reach Zookian heights. Consider:

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The 2004 Gators, Ron Zook's last season, outscored this year's Gators so far.



33.8: The 2004 Gators, Ron Zook's final team, averaged 33.8 points per game in the regular season.
27.2: This year's Gators are averaging 27.2 ppg.
428.8: Zook's last Florida team averaged 428.8 yards of offense in the regular season.
394.1: Urban's guys are at 394.1
85: On a more positive front from the Gators' point of view, the Georgia defense that Meyer's team will face this week isn't nearly as formidable as its early-season opponents made it seem. The Dawgs have given up 85 points in the last 10 quarters -- a bit more than a TD per quarter. They allowed just 58 points in the season's first 22 quarters -- fewer than three points per quarter.
46-36-2, 45-36-2: Here's how you know this one is a true rivalry -- the two schools can't even agree on their all-time record against one another. Georgia claims to lead 46-36-2, while Florida says it's actually 45-36-2. At issue: a game in 1904 that Georgia won 52-0. Florida claims the game shouldn't count, as the school says it did not officially field a team that year. For what it's worth, the "ESPN College Football Encyclopedia" lists 1906 as the first year for Gators football. Despite my finest efforts, I was unable to contact any of the participants of the disputed game for a comment.
Back to the list of those hoping for chaos: Notre Dame. In fact, the Irish have an opportunity to create the chaos themselves when they face USC on Thanksgiving weekend. First things first, though -- the annual meeting with Navy, which is only moderately less suspenseful than an hour of C-SPAN3.
42: As has been well-documented, the Irish have won 42 in a row against the Middies -- last losing on Nov. 2, 1963 -- just 20 days before the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
While the Irish and Midshipmen provide the most glaring historical mismatch of the weekend, there are some others that haven't exactly been nail-biters over the years. For instance:
8-57-4: Oregon State is 8-57-4 all-time against USC, with the Beavers having won once in the series since 1968.
3-36-1: Oklahoma State is 3-36-1 all-time against Nebraska.
1-15: Missouri has gone just 1-15 in its last 16 games against Oklahoma
Of those four historical mismatches, Missouri obviously seems the most likely to buck the trend, with the Tigers actually favored in the game, thanks in large part to the ongoing heroics of their young QB.

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Quarterback Chase Daniel is already in the Missouri record books.



19: Chase Daniel has already thrown 19 TD passes this season -- that breaks Missouri's previous single-season record set by Terry McMillan in 1969.
0: Daniel faces an Oklahoma defense that has improved over the last few games after being much-maligned early in the season. Still, Daniel doesn't figure to be losing much sleep over the Sooners' D-line. Defensive ends C.J. Ah You and Calvin Thibodeaux have zero sacks. They combined for 17 last season.
The Nebraska-Oklahoma State matchup features two of the nation's most improved offenses. Consider these numbers:
10th, 12th: The Huskers and Cowboys rank 10th and 12th in the nation, respectively, in total offense. They were 96th and 92nd last year.
11th, 7th: Nebraska and OSU are 11th and 7th, respectively, in scoring. Last season, they ranked 67th and 96th.
While it took an offseason for the Huskers and Cowboys to hit their stride, Boston College has done so during the course of the season.
9.8: After beating the 'Noles 24-19 last week, BC has now given up just 9.8 points per game over its last four games. The Eagles gave up 26.7 in their first three outings. Even if you factor out the win over I-AA Maine, BC has still gone from that 26.7 number against Central Michigan, Clemson and BYU to 12.3 against NC State, Virginia Tech and Florida State.
As for the 'Noles, regardless of which side you take in the Great Bobby Bowden Debate, their decline is staggering:
0-3: Florida State has gone 0-3 in its last three ACC home games.
55-1: Before that slide, FSU was an amazing 55-1 at home in conference games.
3-8: The 'Noles are 3-8 in their last 11 games against teams from the six power conferences not named "Duke."
54.4: Florida State is averaging 54.4 rushing yards in its five games this season against teams other than Duke and Rice. It's gotten to the point where the 'Noles have realized that even attempting to run is pointless. RBs Lorenzo Booker and Antone Smith and fullback Joe Surratt combined for seven carries and 20 net yards against the Eagles.

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Kyle Wright and Miami have struggled against stiffer competition.



7: Though FSU's rival, Miami, is playing for the Coastal Division lead this weekend against Georgia Tech, things truly aren't that much better for the Canes. QB Kyle Wright has thrown seven TD passes this year -- all of them coming against Florida A&M, Houston, Florida International and Duke.
That means Wright has been shut out by Florida State, Louisville and even North Carolina. This continues a trend for the Miami QB, who threw 12 TD passes against Duke, Temple and Wake last year, and six against the rest of the Canes' schedule.
83: Miami gets a Georgia Tech team that was thoroughly dominated by Clemson this past weekend. In fact, the Yellow Jackets gained just 83 total yards in the first half, or six fewer than Clemson's James Davis ran for all by himself before halftime.
The ESPN Radio "College GameDay" crew witnessed that one last week -- and we'll be back in the Palmetto State this weekend to check out Tennessee and South Carolina -- as coaches Steve Spurrier and Phillip Fulmer renew their acquaintances.
Spurrier got the better of his old sparring partner in their "reunion" game last season -- the first win for the Gamecocks over Tennessee in 13 games. This week, Spurrier will try to buck a couple of trends.
1903: In a series dating back to 1903, the Gamecocks have never won two in a row over the Vols.
8: South Carolina has lost eight straight games against top-10 teams. The Vols come in ranked No. 8.
Can't wait to get down to Columbia, S.C., for all the excitement this weekend. Hope you'll listen in.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;643918; said:
Tell me, how does Michigan get the edge?

Scoring defense: OSU 8.3 ppg (#1), scUM 12.6 ppg (#9) (OSU is over 5 ppg better)
Opp yards needed per TD: OSU 275 yards, scUM 181 yards
Pass defense: OSU #34, scUM #73
TO margin: OSU +11 (#4), scUM +9 (#10)
TO gained: OSU 17, scUM 15
Interceptions: OSU #3, scUM #75

scUM may have the numbers edge in total defense (exactly 30 ypg) and rushing defense, but in most other categories--including the most important: scoring defense--we lead.

Just when you thought XrayRandy was gone, BAM!!! He hits you with a 2x4 in the face as you're walking up the stairs.
 
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