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Thad Matta (OSU's All Time Winningest Coach & 3x B1G COY, Butler HC)

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tibor75 said:
I think we can all be happy knowing that the days of recruiting players like Nick Dials are over.
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Nick Dials was a preferred walk on, not a scholoarship player. The only reason he used a scholarship the year he played was because one was available due to attrition. The coaching staff never offered him a full time scholarship, else he would still be on the team now. I would take a walk on like Nick Dials any day of the week just for his energy and lift that he can bring to the team. We all know you disliked the previous coaching staff, but statements like that are creating an issue where one did not exist. Now if you want to throw some other SCHOLARSHIP player in there, fine, but the Nick Dials example is a bad choice.
 
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Sambuck said:
Nick Dials was a preferred walk on, not a scholoarship player. The only reason he used a scholarship the year he played was because one was available due to attrition. The coaching staff never offered him a full time scholarship, else he would still be on the team now. I would take a walk on like Nick Dials any day of the week just for his energy and lift that he can bring to the team. We all know you disliked the previous coaching staff, but statements like that are creating an issue where one did not exist. Now if you want to throw some other SCHOLARSHIP player in there, fine, but the Nick Dials example is a bad choice.
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thanks for the clarification. I think I got confused because that retard on Bucknuts (I forget his name, BrettGoBlow's lover) used to talk this guy up like he was going to become a star.
 
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Since this is a summary thread, I wanted to post some of the info I have gathered on the Real Deal tourney and consolidate it in one place for everyone, as well as pass along a few candid opinions, ala bucknuts44820. A lot of this was already posted I'm sure, but here it goes anyways:

I am glad we have moved on from Tom Herzog. He may have potential, or the dreaded Hubie Brown "major upside", but clearly we are going in a different direction with more athletic big men (Oden, Harangody, Pogue, Ellis, Lauderdale, etc.).

Greg Oden may already be at the level where he can come into a school like OSU and dominate. I am not saying he comes in and Dials heads to the bench. But he is physically ready enough to have Thad consider moving TD back to the 4. If TD wants to play for pay in the NBA, he would definitely be open to the idea, I would assume. Oden is at least good enough to change a game defensively...and his offense is not even a step behind.

Spiece Indy Heat may become to Matta what Glenville is to JT. It is getting to the point where I will actually be a bit disappointed now if we don't get Conley and Oden, kind of like Rob Rose and Ray Small. Every guru I have read has said that Conley and Oden are definitely headed to the same school, and I believe that more now than ever. Considering Oden isn't that enthralled with Wake, and Cook is already in the fold at OSU, I'd say our chances are much higher than any of us may realize. Of course all of this is contingent upon Oden going to college...I still will be shocked if he doesn't test the NBA waters.

Eric Gordon from the Speice Indy Heat is a real possibility in the 2007 class. #1 SG in the 2007 class coming in behind the #2 SG in the 2006 class. Not a bad problem to have. You can never have enough athletic wings and shooting guards in the Matta system.

Forget about what you've heard about Daequan...until you see him and all the ways he can put the ball in the basket, you don't understand. He can dribble, drive, pull-up, fade away, double pump, take a bump, shoot from the top of the key, baseline, elbow, etc. We are very lucky to even have Cook in this class, little alone whatever else he brings along with him. If we can just teach TD or whoever plays down low next year how to pass out of the post, DC may average 12 a game just on mid-range jumpers.

I think Conley has taken some of the criticism about his game to heart. He is supposedly looking much more athletic and tough and is out to prove that he is the best PG in the 2006 class. He had some clutch baskets for the Heat down the stretch. He can score or he can distribute. That's a dangerous point guard.

Not only is Wake Forest in on Augustin and Lawson, but they are also tracking another PG from Georgia, Javaris Crittenton. Certainly Prosser is going to put the fullcourt press on Conley this weekend, but maybe he really does see the writing on the wall. Apparently someone from Wake is scheduled to visit Crittenton at his school in a couple of weeks.

I think Aaron Pogue will be a big priority in the 2007 class, or at least bigger than some would think at this early stage. Think a young version of Sean May. If there is bound to be a hole in the 2006 class, it could be PF. Brayden Bell and T-Wig will be solid, but getting Pogue and/or Dallas Lauderdale in for some depth will be huge too. I have said many times before that Lauderdale is my favorite palyer that we have a shot at landing in 2007, if Walker and Mayo do not go to college.

If you don't think Matta is going to take serious run at Thad Young, think again. We may be witness to best recruiter this side of Pete "don't send film unless you are at least a four star" Carroll. I believe Matta was in contact with Young at the Real Deal. Like Oden though, I think he probably ends up in the NBA right out of high schol.

Matta is also looking at Lance Thomas, the 6-9 PF from New Jersey, ranked as the #7 PF in the 2006 class by Insiders. Other coaches must see Thad coming into the gym and think, "Jesus, not this guy again!" In one game, Lance went for 30 and 11 including 7-7 from the line...he is a workhorse. I wouldn't be shocked to see him stay on the East coast, most likely in the Big Least.

Armon Bassett could be a great option for TM down the line. If he spends a year at Hargrave fine tuning his game, including an already deadly outside shot, he will be a nice get for someone. Given the class we could be bringing in in 2006, Bassett may be better served to look at some of the other schools he plans to stay in touch with like Arkansas and Illinois.

My Odds:

Lighty - 80%
Cook - 99%
Conley - 60%
Oden - 50%
Young - 10%
Harangody - 40%
 
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tibor75 said:
I think we can all be happy knowing that the days of recruiting players like Nick Dials are over.
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Hey I agree with Sambuck, I liked Nick Dials too. He reminded me of a "poor man's Chris Jent"; always hustling and never afraid to dive on the floor for a ball. I think he actually wanted to be a buckeye too. In addition, he did make some positive contributions his freshman year.

Suggest changing it to: I think we can all be happy knowing that the days of recruiting players like Matt Marinchick are over. Matt was on schlorship for 5 years and never developed into a Big 10 caliber player.
 
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wadc45 said:
Greg Oden may already be at the level where he can come into a school like OSU and dominate. I am not saying he comes in and Dials heads to the bench.

If we can just teach TD or whoever plays down low next year how to pass out of the post, DC may average 12 a game just on mid-range jumpers.
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Uhhhh, NONE of these guys will be here NEXT year. These are 2006 recruits. Dials will have graduated by then.
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you forgot to mention... the 5 5-mile runs are at 5am. ouch!

BuckeyePride85 said:
The first thing I heard about how very intense on winning and perorming to our highest possiblities, was when reading a Dispatch article. It talked about his "5 for 5" program. If a student messes up (ie. Misses class) he has them run 5 miles for the next 5 days (outside of practice). He also slimmed Dials and a few others down by making them run more if their body fat percentage wasnt to his set percentage wanted. Stuff like this shows how bad he wants it in the end and how hard he is willing to push the players to make them want it as well.
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wadc45 said:
I am glad we have moved on from Tom Herzog. He may have potential, or the dreaded Hubie Brown "major upside", but clearly we are going in a different direction with more athletic big men (Oden, Harangody, Pogue, Ellis, Lauderdale, etc.).
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their is nothing wrong with project players, look at kenny johnson. you just have to have time to let them pan out, after what thad did last year and our deep chart in the frontcourt, now is not the time

Greg Oden may already be at the level where he can come into a school like OSU and dominate. I am not saying he comes in and Dials heads to the bench. But he is physically ready enough to have Thad consider moving TD back to the 4. If TD wants to play for pay in the NBA, he would definitely be open to the idea, I would assume. Oden is at least good enough to change a game defensively...and his offense is not even a step behind.
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dials will be gone after next year, these two will never play on the floor in the schott together


Eric Gordon from the Speice Indy Heat is a real possibility in the 2007 class. #1 SG in the 2007 class coming in behind the #2 SG in the 2006 class. Not a bad problem to have. You can never have enough athletic wings and shooting guards in the Matta system.
Forget about what you've heard about Daequan...until you see him and all the ways he can put the ball in the basket, you don't understand. He can dribble, drive, pull-up, fade away, double pump, take a bump, shoot from the top of the key, baseline, elbow, etc. We are very lucky to even have Cook in this class, little alone whatever else he brings along with him. If we can just teach TD or whoever plays down low next year how to pass out of the post, DC may average 12 a game just on mid-range jumpers.
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playing in high school is one thing and college is another. ive never seen hiim play against top notch quality teams only hs ones. but he has performed well in elite aau tourneys. he has the talent to be an impact player in 06.

I think Conley has taken some of the criticism about his game to heart. He is supposedly looking much more athletic and tough and is out to prove that he is the best PG in the 2006 class. He had some clutch baskets for the Heat down the stretch. He can score or he can distribute. That's a dangerous point guard.
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the kid is a player, players play. he could care less about what morons on some internet board says about the game. he is looking at his aau coach, college coaches and even real experts
 
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1. I never said there is anything wrong with project players. But when you have a shot at a lottery pick instead of a project, you obviously go after the Odens of the world. I don't think Herzog would have fit into the Matta system after what I read about him lately. He will probably go on to have a nice career at scUM or MSU or wherever.

2. My mistake...was getting ahead of myself. My point was that whoever is in the post, if they can learn to pass (which TD does not know how to do at this point, hopefully he will for next year) then guys like Cook who are great mid-range shooters will have a field day.

3. Cook has been playing at the highest level against some of the best AAU teams in the country...and scoring at will. I have no doubt that he can come in an contribute at the 2 or the 3 right away. And there are plenty of recruiting "experts" (Telep, for example) who agree.

4. The criticism I was referring to was not from "morons on some internet board" but rather from evaluators that colleges had sent out to scout him last year. His athleticism has improved since last year's AAU circuit, and it is showing in the level of Conley's play.

and let me go one record as saying Nick Dials was one of my favorite players since Jay Burson...no talent, all heart (with all due respect to Nick and Jay).
 
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1. I never said there is anything wrong with project players. But when you have a shot at a lottery pick instead of a project, you obviously go after the Odens of the world. I don't think Herzog would have fit into the Matta system after what I read about him lately. He will probably go on to have a nice career at scUM or MSU or wherever.

i agree with you

2. My mistake...was getting ahead of myself. My point was that whoever is in the post, if they can learn to pass (which TD does not know how to do at this point, hopefully he will for next year) then guys like Cook who are great mid-range shooters will have a field day.

i know you were, but clarifying-i also agree but it has to do with the system, honestly i have a hard time blaming terrance for anything, he had little to no help all year down low. the kid went out there 33 mins a game, 15 ppg, 8rpg, 1 apg, and shot over 57% from the field

3. Cook has been playing at the highest level against some of the best AAU teams in the country...and scoring at will. I have no doubt that he can come in an contribute at the 2 or the 3 right away. And there are plenty of recruiting "experts" (Telep, for example) who agree.

i agree too i said it, but what is "contribute" or "impact" will be seen

4. The criticism I was referring to was not from "morons on some internet board" but rather from evaluators that colleges had sent out to scout him last year. His athleticism has improved since last year's AAU circuit, and it is showing in the level of Conley's play.

and physical maturation has helped

and let me go one record as saying Nick Dials was one of my favorite players since Jay Burson...no talent, all heart (with all due respect to Nick and Jay).[/QUOTE]
im not trying to argue with you, your a smart guy and none of this are attacks on you. just comments, you know your stuff.
 
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I know you weren't on the attack...I was just clarifying my points. I think we are both on the same page.

I agree...I have a real hard time criticizing Dials for anything. But if there are two parts of his game that I think he needs to work on to improve this team's chances next year, it is his free throw shooting and his ability to pass out of the post. Look at what Sean May did for UNC, learning to dish off the block and becoming a threat at the stripe. I think TD can be that kind of player. Those attributes, along with a better outside game (because let's face it, TD will never play the 5 in the NBA) could also help Terrence's draft status.

I think Cook is ready to not only "contribute" next year, but also have an "impact". We haven't really had a true guard who could create his own shot since Michael Redd. Daequan could be that kind of 2-guard. Lewis may also be that kind of player...one who can greate his own shot or at least draw a defender and find an open man.
 
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