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Sugar Bowl: TSUN -2.5 vs Va Tech (ov/un 52.5) Tue 8;30 ET, ESPN

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Gatorubet;2079717; said:
Well, I thought that before today. How did y'all get the ball in a replay fumble call when the official had already called the play dead, thus stopping UF players going after it as a fumble? It seemed to me that - while it may be an incorrect call, once the ref blows the whistle the play is dead, and the other guy jumping on it after the play is declared dead should not matter.

But it does. Because even though a ball becomes a "dead ball" when the whistle blows, if an incomplete pass/fumble is later ruled to be a fumble, (and even if the ref blows his whistle indicating dead ball and most of the players stop their pursuit of the ball because of that whistle) - if the incomplete pass is later ruled a fumble where here is "clear recovery in the immediate continuing action after the loose ball" - the ball is still awarded to the team who bothered to ignore the dead ball whistle and "recover" it.

Why you could recover a ball that has been blown dead and not be subject to a personal foul for ignoring the whistle and hitting guys, etc, is unknown.....and what precisely constitutes "immediate continuing action" when most of the players have all quit any "action" because of the whistle, that is not defined.

Either way, the rule is the rule, and it is up to Gator coaches to: 1) know the rule, and 2) let our (the UF) players know to disregard the whistle in the case of any potential fumble. IOW, Gator bad. I am now much better with that than I was at the game. I texted Capo with a "how the Hell can you get possession after we quit because the ref blew the whistle and indicated dead ball with his hands???!!!!" That's how.

Know the damn rules. Kudos for your guy continuing to fight for it.
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I posted in the game thread that tOSU should not have been awarded that ball by the replay review - the whistle affected who recovered it and the action (in my mind) wasn't immediate and continuous. The real problem was the quick whistle, which messed up the play.

But there were other replay screwups in the Gator Bowl. Hell, the opening kickoff should have been reviewed to see if it bounced on the goal line before going out of bounds - and they didn't show a replay with a goal line camera or officially review the play. If the ball bounced on the goal line, that's part of the end zone, and the stupid college rule makes that an immediate touchback if nobody has touched the ball prior to it landing in the end zone. (That's another topic - they should always make it a live ball until it's possessed and downed).

And they should have reviewed Thompson's TD catch - if they had the Sugar Bowl replay guy, he probably would have overturned it. I'm not saying tOSU was screwed there - just that replay should have officially looked at that play before the XP was kicked.

And I do believe that Boom Herron's butt was clearly down before he lost possession.

So the replay crew looked at two fumbles, and gave each of them to the wrong team (one each, so that evened out), and there were two more plays that they should have looked at that they didn't officially review - one worth 20 yards of field position and the other one a TD on a third down play.

That replay crew should not be renewed by their league - they were that bad.
 
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BB73;2081567; said:
I posted in the game thread that tOSU should not have been awarded that ball by the replay review - the whistle affected who recovered it and the action (in my mind) wasn't immediate and continuous. The real problem was the quick whistle, which messed up the play.
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Oh, I agree. But if the rule is about immediate and continuous, and that is not defined with specificity, then you'd better go fight for every fumble, just like you do questionable back field passes in case they turn out to be laterals. I mean, as that is the rule, any doubt has to mean you keep going. We did not. Again, our bad and your heads up play.

BB73;2081567; said:
But there were other replay screwups in the Gator Bowl. Hell, the opening kickoff should have been reviewed to see if it bounced on the goal line before going out of bounds - and they didn't show a replay with a goal line camera or officially review the play. If the ball bounced on the goal line, that's part of the end zone, and the stupid college rule makes that an immediate touchback if nobody has touched the ball prior to it landing in the end zone. (That's another topic - they should always make it a live ball until it's possessed and downed).
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Missed it. Running to my section after BS-ing with Katt and Frau for too long.


BB73;2081567; said:
And they should have reviewed Thompson's TD catch - if they had the Sugar Bowl replay guy, he probably would have overturned it. I'm not saying tOSU was screwed there - just that replay should have officially looked at that play before the XP was kicked.
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Using the Gaffney at UT in 2000 as a reference - it was fine. :biggrin:

BB73;2081567; said:
And I do believe that Boom Herron's butt was clearly down before he lost possession.
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I may have been up getting a free drink when that happened, so did not see it...unless that was the one that bounced around, to your guy, and then finally right into our guy's arms.


BB73;2081567; said:
So the replay crew looked at two fumbles, and gave each of them to the wrong team (one each, so that evened out), and there were two more plays that they should have looked at that they didn't officially review - one worth 20 yards of field position and the other one a TD on a third down play.

That replay crew should not be renewed by their league - they were that bad.
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I heard they were a mixed league crew - making it an even greater FUBAR
 
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From the M-Zone...

Brendan Gibbons would approve of this post

From last night's post-game presser...
Question: Brendan, what was going through your mind as Virginia Tech calls time out and it's overtime you're lining up that kick and thinking about lining up that kick? What was going through your mind before the kick in overtime, during the timeout and all that?

U-M KICKER BRENDAN GIBBONS: Brunette girls. Every time we were like struggling in kicking, Coach tells me to think about girls on a beach or brunette girls. So that's what we did. Made the kick.
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Excellent idea. So we put the picture up below. Not for us, but for Brendan Gibbons.


​

And if you're struggling in your job today, try thinking of this brunette. Hell, can't hurt.


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Bucknut24;2079783; said:
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may be no catch, but still no way that can be overturned
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I was shocked it was over turned. Michigan had the exact oppsite call against Iowa, it was up held and ruled not a catch.
I thought it was a catch last night.

In the end all that matters is the W
 
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^ ^^ :biggrin:

But let's look inside the numbers at TSUN's signature sugarbowl win. They beat the loser of the acc championship game, VT. But VT didn't just lose that ACC CG, they were blown out 38-10. Well, any team can have a bad game, and Clemson is a really, really good team, right? Buzzzzzzzz. Maybe not, having just lost to a big east team in their bowl game and giving up a record 70 points. A win is a win, but for some wins you may not want to pound your chest too hard.
 
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colobuck79;2081943; said:
^ ^^ :biggrin:

But let's look inside the numbers at TSUN's signature sugarbowl win. They beat the loser of the acc championship game, VT. But VT didn't just lose that ACC CG, they were blown out 38-10. Well, any team can have a bad game, and Clemson is a really, really good team, right? Buzzzzzzzz. Maybe not, having just lost to a big east team in their bowl game and giving up a record 70 points. A win is a win, but for some wins you may not want to pound your chest too hard.
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Clemson gave up 70 and WVU shut it down with 8 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.
 
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cantstandya;2082205; said:
But I'm sure he's just another dumb, fat, Walverine like me
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Well, at least you are not too self-delusional since you accurately describe yourself.


that went to the #1 ranked public university in the country.
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Going to the Outhouse for a game then hitting up Blimpy for twin quints afterward does not count.
 
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cantstandya;2082205; said:
Wrong. That would be the CEO of Allstate, not the Allstate Sugar Bowl.
But I'm sure he's just another dumb, fat, Walverine like me that went to the #1 ranked public university in the country.

http://www.usnews.com/education/worlds-best-universities-rankings/top-400-universities-in-the-world
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Please pick your insult:

Typical scUM fan has to rely on the past in order to claim superiority over others. Because Michigan is not the #1 ranked public university in the country anymore - http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandr...ges/rankings/national-universities/top-public

Are you that ashamed of UC-Berkley athletics that you had to become a scUM fan? - http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandr...ges/rankings/national-universities/top-public

I nominate we remove Michigan from the AAU because clearly they can't do current research - http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandr...ges/rankings/national-universities/top-public
 
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Coqui;2082942; said:
Please pick your insult:

Typical scUM fan has to rely on the past in order to claim superiority over others. Because Michigan is not the #1 ranked public university in the country anymore - http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandr...ges/rankings/national-universities/top-public

Are you that ashamed of UC-Berkley athletics that you had to become a scUM fan? - http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandr...ges/rankings/national-universities/top-public

I nominate we remove Michigan from the AAU because clearly they can't do current research - http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandr...ges/rankings/national-universities/top-public
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DEEP BURN!

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It's really funny that some scUM fans, despite a successful season and BCS bowl win, still have to resort to these kind of arguments... :lol: Get over yourselves. You guys are the kings of the trailer park, I get it. (This is no offense to our regular scUM posters)
 
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