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Sugar Bowl: TSUN -2.5 vs Va Tech (ov/un 52.5) Tue 8;30 ET, ESPN

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buckeyesin07;2079558; said:
Replay officials simply have too difficult a time understanding the standard of review under which they are supposed to be operating. Way too often these guys make calls that lead me to believe they're applying a de novo standard rather than an indisputable video evidence standard. Certainly that conclusion applies to the replay official's overturning the Va Tech TD in OT last night.
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Great point.

The thing that kills me is if you look at something 10 times in slow motion you can find just about anything, such as "the ball moved" on the catch. The ball moves in a guys hands/arms on almost every catch - hell lots of handoffs for that matter - but they still have "possession" of it.

That overturn in OT was a dirty shame for the kid who made a helluva catch in a pressure situation. You had to look awfully hard to find a reason to take it away, and "indisputable" sure doesn't describe the evidence against it. Terrible, game-changing call.
 
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Meh. I was peeved last night (because I stayed up late, knowing I'd be tired today) but now not so much.

Michigan fans were hoping for a statement "WE'RE BACK" win. They were overwhelmingly outplayed last night. It didn't say "WE'RE BACK" so much as it said "WE'RE STILL THERE." Baby steps though, still a move in the right direction.
 
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I didn't watch the game, or even read through this thread, but wanted to post a list of what I heard about the game last night from co-workers who watched (none are fans of either team).

1. VT got hosed in OT on the replay overturn of the TD catch
2. Denard Robinson is not a good QB, but would be a hell of a slot
3. VT got hosed on another replay overturn early in the game on an interception.
4. VT choked away the win.
5. Fuck Michigan (ok, they didn't say this, but I do.)
 
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To me this game optimized three items that are beginning to hurt college football.


  1. The BCS
  2. Officiating
  3. Replay
The BCS - Nothing necessarily new here, other than I believe this is the worst set of match ups the BCS has ever produced. In this case you have two teams who had absolutely no business playing in a BCS game based on their resume. Both were outside of the top 10, neither won their respective conference championship and one didn't even play in theirs. It is either time to go back to the original Bowl System and conference tie ins or move to the playoff system. Just pick one and get on with it.



Officiating - Officiating continues to degrade as evidenced by a number of calls last night, or in the case of the FGs by Michigan at the half and during OT the lack of calls. I think in many cases the officials can't keep up with the speed of the players and the game. It is time to get younger and/or more strategically placed officials on the field.


Replay - What is the point of replay? Hopefully to get it right. Let's face it replay as it is today, does not work. We saw it last night and we saw it in the OSU\FL game. There are to many variables to the replay system, including what gets replayed, how it gets replayed, the camera angles, etc. I say it detracts from the game so get rid of it and play on. Hell, it worked well for a number of years prior.


Ok, that's my rant.....Oh yeah one more thing FUCK Michigan....
 
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WolverineMike;2079693; said:
bri, do you think more refs on the field would help as well?
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Yes, I think an extra strategically placed referee in the deep secondary and/or one behind the offense, like they tried to do in the NFL at one point would definitely help. The players are just too big and fast, which in turn in my opinion, is why the referees in many cases just don't seem to be in the right place to make the call.
 
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buckeyebri;2079684; said:
Replay - What is the point of replay? Hopefully to get it right. Let's face it replay as it is today, does not work. We saw it last night and we saw it in the OSU\FL game.
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Well, I thought that before today. How did y'all get the ball in a replay fumble call when the official had already called the play dead, thus stopping UF players going after it as a fumble? It seemed to me that - while it may be an incorrect call, once the ref blows the whistle the play is dead, and the other guy jumping on it after the play is declared dead should not matter.

But it does. Because even though a ball becomes a "dead ball" when the whistle blows, if an incomplete pass/fumble is later ruled to be a fumble, (and even if the ref blows his whistle indicating dead ball and most of the players stop their pursuit of the ball because of that whistle) - if the incomplete pass is later ruled a fumble where here is "clear recovery in the immediate continuing action after the loose ball" - the ball is still awarded to the team who bothered to ignore the dead ball whistle and "recover" it.

Why you could recover a ball that has been blown dead and not be subject to a personal foul for ignoring the whistle and hitting guys, etc, is unknown.....and what precisely constitutes "immediate continuing action" when most of the players have all quit any "action" because of the whistle, that is not defined.

Either way, the rule is the rule, and it is up to Gator coaches to: 1) know the rule, and 2) let our (the UF) players know to disregard the whistle in the case of any potential fumble. IOW, Gator bad. I am now much better with that than I was at the game. I texted Capo with a "how the Hell can you get possession after we quit because the ref blew the whistle and indicated dead ball with his hands???!!!!" That's how.

Know the damn rules. Kudos for your guy continuing to fight for it.
 
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What a screw job, the sugar bowl CEO is a scUM alum. What a conquidonk
 
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Gatorubet;2079717; said:
Well, I thought that before today. How did y'all get the ball in a replay fumble call when the official had already called the play dead, thus stopping UF players going after it as a fumble? It seemed to me that - while it may be an incorrect call, once the ref blows the whistle the play is dead, and the other guy jumping on it after the play is declared dead should not matter.

But it does. Because even though a ball becomes a "dead ball" when the whistle blows, if an incomplete pass/fumble is later ruled to be a fumble, (and even if the ref blows his whistle indicating dead ball and most of the players stop their pursuit of the ball because of that whistle) - if the incomplete pass is later ruled a fumble where here is "clear recovery in the immediate continuing action after the loose ball" - the ball is still awarded to the team who bothered to ignore the dead ball whistle and "recover" it.

Why you could recover a ball that has been blown dead and not be subject to a personal foul for ignoring the whistle and hitting guys, etc, is unknown.....and what precisely constitutes "immediate continuing action" when most of the players have all quit any "action" because of the whistle, that is not defined.

Either way, the rule is the rule, and it is up to Gator coaches to: 1) know the rule, and 2) let our (the UF) players know to disregard the whistle in the case of any potential fumble. IOW, Gator bad. I am now much better with that than I was at the game. I texted Capo with a "how the Hell can you get possession after we quit because the ref blew the whistle and indicated dead ball with his hands???!!!!" That's how.

Know the damn rules. Kudos for your guy continuing to fight for it.
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I agree with gator. The was definitely a fumble, but we should not have been given the ball back. Now if shazier had got it clean then yes. But the fact that someone picked it up about 3 full seconds after the fumble initially occured is not "immediately following the action of the play".

I also think it is impossible to change the spot of the ball in replay unless the the camera is pointing exactly down the line to gain for a first down. I also think that Herron was down on his fumble it wasn't even close. I also think that Florida's first touchdown was a drop and was the most ridiculous call I have seen in awhile (until the overturn last night). The ref is sitting there signaling for a touchdown and the ball is not in the hands of the receiver, then they didn't review it. I blame fickel for not getting that TO called in time to challenge.
 
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Thanks for continuing to make my point for me about Replay Gator and Tlangs! Like I said time for it to go away.

BTW Gator, you guys would have been lucky to have recovered that ball even without the whistle...besides since when does the whistle stop Gator players...:biggrin:
 
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