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Game Thread Sugar Bowl: tOSU vs Arkansas, Tue, Jan 4th, 8:30 ET ESPN

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RockstarBuckeye;1828056; said:
On the other hand, Buckeye Nation feels that we will win. In our only loss this season, the power running game of Wisconsin could only generate 336 total yards of offense and 31 points on our defense. 31 points also represents the most points scored on our defense this season. The next highest is the 24 point effort from Miami. Our defense is scary good. They give up yards at times but not many points.
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Do you mean that OSU has a good red zone defense or what? Because if so, Arkansas doesn't score much in the red zone..They have their fair share, but plays of 20 or more yards seem standard.
 
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razorbackmike;1828061; said:
Do you mean that OSU has a good red zone defense or what? Because if so, Arkansas doesn't score much in the red zone..They have their fair share, but plays of 20 or more yards seem standard.
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While our defense has weak areas, overall it is one of our best attributes. This defense doesn't get rattled easily. We are good against the run and decent against the pass (not sure of actual rankings, but sure someone will look it up) Defense is much better now than in the Wisky loss. Key players are back and healthy which should give our defense a big boost. Also, there is not much of a drop off in talent when coach decides to start subbing/rotating players.
 
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RockstarBuckeye;1828062; said:
While our defense has weak areas, overall it is one of our best attributes. This defense doesn't get rattled easily. We are good against the run and decent against the pass (not sure of actual rankings, but sure someone will look it up) Defense is much better now than in the Wisky loss. Key players are back and healthy which should give our defense a big boost. Also, there is not much of a drop off in talent when coach decides to start subbing/rotating players.
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Ahh ok. Thanks! This information makes me very excited about this game. Even though I hate the close games, I love them at the same time. The rotation you mention reminds me of our D-line. They rotate there often and there is hardly a drop off in play.
 
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Your defense may be scary good, but it has been scary good many times in the past and that has got you nothing but L's against the last 8 SEC teams you have played. I am not saying your defense is not good, but what little I have seen of the Buckeyes D this year is not as good as what I have seen in the past, and the Big 10 even with 3 teams in BCS top 12 does not seem as strong this year as it has been in years past.
 
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PORKEROINKER;1828065; said:
Your defense may be scary good, but it has been scary good many times in the past and that has got you nothing but L's against the last 8 SEC teams you have played.
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RockstarBuckeye;1828056; said:
On the other hand, Buckeye Nation feels that we will win. In our only loss this season, the power running game of Wisconsin could only generate 336 total yards of offense and 31 points on our defense. 31 points also represents the most points scored on our defense this season. The next highest is the 24 point effort from Miami. Our defense is scary good. They give up yards at times but not many points.
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To clarify, 14 of Miami's points were scored on the Bucks' special teams.
Originally Posted by buckeye78
Agreed...who wins is a separate issue altogether. I was simply pointing out earlier that, for example, Oregon was gonna hang 50 on us last year. This D is the real deal. We give up 28 points and we probably lose. Of course, unless we hang 65 on em
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Originally Posted by Hogtropolis
That's exactly right. I think Arkansas has a very good chance at winning, but it wouldn't surprise me at all (although it would frustrate the crap out of me) if we lost 35-28 or so. Just because I think the Hogs will score 28 doesn't mean that I think they'll hold Pryor under that. We won't give up 65 again though.
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Welcome Hogtropolis. Fans outside the Big10 typically don't consider "Tresselball" clock management when analyzing an upcoming game, and the defense gets overlooked. Maybe Pac10 and Big12 fans aren't used to seeing effective defense, at least in previous years (out of sight out of mind)?

Just for some perspective... In 2002, Texas Tech and Wazzou were going to shred the defense, but they lost 48-14 and 24-7, respectively. Then the same Pac10 fans who told me that, also told me Miami would shred the Buckeyes' defense, which again didn't happen. I heard the same from other teams's fans (K State, Texas, LSU (oops!), Oregon) in later years. So, while I'm growing more accustomed to hearing predictions of 4+ TD's against the Buckeyes' defense, it's still a bit of a shock. It could happen, and has before, but it's rare. Admittedly, though, the two recent games against sec teams pretty much went the way of your prediction.

Buckeyes' dline should be better at stopping the run than they were at Wisconsin, since freshman Jonathan Hankins has been getting more playing time.

Petrino has that reputation of offensive wizardry and the team is talented. It's a good match and promises to be a great game.
 
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PORKEROINKER;1828065; said:
Your defense may be scary good, but it has been scary good many times in the past and that has got you nothing but L's against the last 8 SEC teams you have played. I am not saying your defense is not good, but what little I have seen of the Buckeyes D this year is not as good as what I have seen in the past, and the Big 10 even with 3 teams in BCS top 12 does not seem as strong this year as it has been in years past.
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As a true fan, I can take the good with the bad. The Gators ripped us a new ass in the Championship game in '07. The Championship game loss in '08 against LSU wasn't the entirely the fault of our defense. The loss to a Texas team in '09 that very well could have been in the Championship game was the result of one bad defensive play. The Rose Bowl win against Oregon was a combination of a balanced offense and a defense that pretty much stuffed a high powered Oregon Offense. Those games are in the past and have no effect on this years team.

Only one team scored more than 30 points on our defense this season and that was our only loss. If Arkansas scores 28 points as suggested by another poster, based on the performance of our defense this season, I don't know if 28 points gets it done for you in this game.
 
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Break Down of Ohio St. and Arkansas statistically

Overall Opp. record

Ohio St. 72-71
Arkansas 86-59

Advantage- Arkansas

Opp. record vs Top 25

Ohio St. 5-61
Arkansas 19-31

Advantage- Arkansas

BCS Ranking

Ohio St.- 6
Arkansas- 7

Advantage- Ohio St.

Avg. Ranking in Human Polls

Ohio St.- 6
Arkansas- 8

Advantage- Ohio St.

Avg. Ranking in Computer Polls

Ohio St.- 9
Arkansas- 5

Advantage- Arkansas

SOS- from NCAA.com

Ohio St.- 54
Arkansas- 7

Advantage- Arkansas

Record vs. Current BCS Top 25

Ohio St.- 0-1
Arkansas- 4-2

Advantage- Arkansas

Pts. Scored

Ohio St.- 473
Arkansas- 448

Advantage- Ohio St.

Pts. Allowed

Ohio St.- 147
Arkansas- 273

Advantage- Ohio St.

Total Ranking Offense

Oho St.-20
Arkansas-9

Advantage- Arkansas

Total Ranking Defense

Ohio St.- 2
Arkansas- 36

Advantage- Ohio St.

Passing Offense Ranking

Ohio St.- 55
Arkansas- 3

Advantage- Arkansas

Rushing Offense Ranking

Ohio St.- 14
Arkansas- 62

Advantage- Ohio St.

Passing Defense Ranking

Ohio St.- 4
Arkansas- 16

Advantage- Ohio St.

Rushing Defense Ranking

Ohio St.- 6
Arkansas- 70

Advantage- Ohio St.


Arkansas has the advantage in 7 categories. Ohio St. has the advantage in 8 categories.

So taking all these categories into account, the summary for this game would tell us what most of us already knew.

Ohio St. has a very good defense and Arkansas has a very good offense

Ohio St. has a solid but not great offense and Arkansas has a decent but not great defense.

Overall Ohio St. looks better statistically than Arkansas, but factor in the conferences each school plays in and this tells us that this is going to be

ONE HELL OF A BALLGAME!!!!!!!
 
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razorbackmike;1828061; said:
Do you mean that OSU has a good red zone defense or what? Because if so, Arkansas doesn't score much in the red zone..They have their fair share, but plays of 20 or more yards seem standard.
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We convert in the red zone 91.3% of the time for 33 TDs and 9 FGs. That percentage is virtually identical to 2008 Florida. Yea, we lead the nation in big plays, but we still score a lot of points in the red zone.
 
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muffler dragon;1826925; said:
I believe you missed the point behind LJB's post. It was in response to the Arkansas offense hanging 30 on the Buckeye D. He was showing how many times that's happened in the last few years and to whom. Thus, your response had nothing to do with his post.
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Dude, I can read. He didn't write a James Joyce like paragraph. My point wasn't in attempting to contradict or disprove something he said. I was ADDING INFORMATION.

To turn this around, imagine this scenario. If some Hog fan posted that we have played three recent Big 10 teams. While we were beat by them, the games were very competitive plus Wisconsin 2006, Minnesota 2002, and Michigan 1999 were some of the best teams to ever play the game, would you feel compelled to add your score against those two teams to the discussion? I think you guys beating the Minnesota 2002 edition 34-3 might pop up in the discussion, even though it isn't directly related to the conversation.
 
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I find it humerus that we have a 19 page thread going, and we don't even know if we have a game yet. My question is; how physical is Arkansas at the line of scrimmage? Florida, and LSU manhandled us at the line of scrimmage.

There are a ton of OSU players from those teams, now doing well in the NFL. I don't know for sure, but I think there are more from the OSU teams, than either UF, of LSU. None of the OSU alums are linemen.

This year, I think we are much stronger up front. Although Wisconsin beat us up pretty well, bare in mind a few things. Wisconsin is the only Big Ten team to give Tressell trouble. Even when Wisconsin is having a down year, they are a pain in the ass.

Wisconsin plays us like they have something to prove. Ohio high school football produces more talent than we can offer. Both Alabama, and Florida have verbals for Ohio recruits we didn't even offer. Wisconsin recruits Ohio well (6 verbals so far this year), so there is some pride at stake.

Finally, the game against Wisconsin is a case of absolutely nothing went right. It was a night game, at their place, and they came out with blood in their eyes. Taking nothing from Wisconsin, I would love a rematch, just to see the result.
 
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