Stan Drayton (Head Coach, Temple Owls)

[Lurker11]

I get why people are upset...I just like championships a lot more than being perfect.

Some things aren't worth compromising your morals/ethics over, other things are. To me this sort of stuff falls in the latter category.

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

NONONONONONONONONONOoooooo........

 

[lvbuckeye]

Day after signing day or Jan 18, 2016, it still means the recruit isn't spending his 4 or 5 years with the same position coach. If a recruit expects a position coach to be there for all of his playing days, then he's pretty clueless (and selfish) about the coaching progression.

Best of luck to Stan.

Stan didn't sell himself. he sold the RB room.
that room isn't going to Chicago.

 

[OHSportsFan]

This isn't about coaches leaving. This is about timing.

If anyone can offer an explanation as to why this was announced today and not yesterday, that does not involve "deception", I'd feel better about it.

 

[buckeyebri]

I thought Weber was recruited by Coombs more than anyone. The coaches are selling the program, the academics, and the University. tOSU has had great running backs for years and will continue to, no matter who the RBs coach is.

How many of you have sold a project or an application, etc. full well knowing you might be leaving the companty you are working for? Sorry, this shit happens all the time in the real business world. My wife just tooka job about a month ago with a new company. Last week they announced the person she was working for and who hired her was being transferred to a different role in a different company within the organization. Today she has a new boss. Is it right, hell I don't know, but it happens.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

NEW Florida DC Bolts to NFL

http://www.buffalobills.com/ne...c4-74e731938c0e

I wonder if he knew his decision before national signing day but kept it secret until the student/athletes sign their letter of intent...

If so.....pretty pathetic imo....

:osu:

Wow. The timing is uncanny and despicable.

Wow. I'm sure UF fans will argue that this is just a coincidence and that nothing can be inferred from the timing, but come on. Gotta feel for the kids that signed yesterday assuming that the DC would be around for longer than 24 hours after they signed.

Wow is all I can say as well.

No fucking way is this coincidental. Wonder how many pissed off defensive recruits there are.

Just wait for the [Mark May]storn that will occur when Meyer steps down...

Did God forget to tell Urban this was going to happen or did he just fail to disclose that to Floyd?

Urban lost Tebows cell number

If lying to recruits about coaching stability is wrong...

Perhaps when he had his dream he should have looked over his coaching staff, as well as Shariff, to see who was still on board come game day...

or maybe he did and just decided to hold that bit of info out when sharing his dream...

At least he knew Meyer couldn't say anything about changing one's mind..

:osu:

At what point does it start matter to a Florida fan, or any SEC fan outside of Vanderbilt, that their schools essentially surrender every ounce of decency and morality they may have possessed in order to win?

I consider myself a lot more of a "just win" guy than most but fuck me running, if we had a coach just flat out bold face lying to kids I'd want his ass gone yesterday.

Unreal.

If no one on the UF staff thought it would impact even one kid, why wait until the day after they were all bound by their LOI's?

Pretty low...even for UF

I don't see a reasonable defense on this list. #2 isn't reasonable. #3 doesn't work. Those guys returned to destination jobs as head coaches.

A much simpler answer would have been: Lots of programs do this right after signing day, whether it's "firing" them or letting them accept promotions elsewhere. It's not very nice, but it's business.
And you wonder why we mock the southern mentality silliness. I do appreciate the irony of that statement from the Mardi Gras capital of the US.
How many of these dangerous deflections can we enjoy before you get to the flipping point? And yes, I know what you were trying to do there lawyer.
Come talk to me about those vultures if he loses 8 games over the next two years, and Saban wins another BCS trophy or two (especially if it is crystal). Right now he's still the king of the CFB world, because he hasn't actually left and has promised everyone he isn't really leaving (besides some undisclosed time not surrounding coaching).
I'd like to hear BigWoof's thoughts on that subject. Respected? Yes. Liked? I've heard a bit differently.I don't hear folks step up and call out Saban very often if at all anymore, and he's anything but a quality person let alone one respected or liked by his peers.

I don't think Urban is Saban, I just think your premise is quite faulty.
He's winning. Again, not equating the two coaches, but if Bobbah was still winning, those scandals and scathing backstories would have stayed nicely hidden or kept to a dull roar.

Look at the volume of ridiculous accusations that have been lobbed at RR because he has lost. I can't think of a more comical thing to leak to the press than RR is practicing more than the NCAA allows. That's a rule ignored by every team in america, whether explicitly or unofficially.

I'm sorry, but business as usual or not, this is just another comment about the strange behavior and questionable ethics of the Florida program under Meyer recently. There is absolutely no way that Meyer did not know this guy was going. There is no way that he thought the uncertainty created by this coach leaving might have affected the decision of one of his recruits. Recruits are prone to changing their minds at the last second no matter how long the decision process may be and assistant coaches are more important in a program in which the head coach is "on leave".

One wonders if Saban hasn't really gotten to Meyer. Prior to this year, Meyer was king of the hill in the SEC. Many people thought this last Tebow year would be a NC year. Now, he's likely to lose three games this year or more and he is looking decidedly vulnerable.

I think we are watching Urban Meyer regress to the mean and, great recruiting class or not, that isn't good news for Florida fans.

A series of posts from the Urban Meyer thread in February 2009.....just so anyone who weighed in then can make sure they are saying the same thing now.

I didn't quote any posts from @Gatorubet because I thought that might break the Internet.

 

[UpNorth_Buckeye]

A series of posts from the Urban Meyer thread in February 2009.....just so anyone who weighed in then can make sure they are saying the same thing now.

I didn't quote any posts from @Gatorubet because I thought that might break the Internet.

Quite a few people from above who have a slightly different stance on it now than they did then...

 

[Buckeye513]

Win some championships and deal with some gangster shit in between. This is the Urban Meyer Experience that Ohio State signed up for and everyone here was basking in shamelessly a month ago.

Fuck it.

 

[Mike80]

Like it or not, Weber just got an education on why you don't commit to coaches, you commit to programs/schools/etc.

It's easy to confuse the two....and people do it outside of college football and basketball in all relationships. Here's to Mike putting it behind him and making this about HIS future, not what some coaches are doing or not doing. The only person he'll screw is himself if he lets this situation dominate him.

 

[Krenzelicious]

I think Birm hit the nail on the head. Everyone was looking out for #1, and you know what they say about glass houses. This situation may be a bit grimy, but all parties have a little grime on their hands in this case. How many job changes are perfectly clean and grime-free? Have all of yours been spotless?

Does it suck that Weber and the rest of the team is losing an excellent coach? Sure. But guess what? Another excellent coach is going to take Stan's place very soon. He'll help Mike and the rest of us forget about (wash off) the grime in short order. Bank on it. In fact, Urb is probably already talking to said replacement coach. And then the fan base (and newly signed RBs) of the team that we grab our new RB coach from will be having a conversation similar to the one we're now having.

When you get an excellent opportunity, you take it - whether you're a coach, a recruiter, a recruit, an accountant, or a pizza delivery guy, timing be damned. That is what Stan did. It was an aggressive move by a guy who was mentored by a dude who wins championships because he wants to choke people over games of checkers. How could anyone expect him to act passively in the face a potential move to the NFL? And how could anyone expect him to NOT continue doing his job (recruiting Mike Weber aggressively and kicking tsun's ass while he was at it) in the meantime? Doing anything other than what he did is not in his nature/nurture.

And as for the lateral move stuff...uh, no. Tim Spencer (Evan's dad) made EXACTLY the same move in the not too distant past - OSU RB Coach to Bears RB Coach. It was not a lateral move.

 

[OHSportsFan]

I thought Weber was recruited by Coombs more than anyone. The coaches are selling the program, the academics, and the University. tOSU has had great running backs for years and will continue to, no matter who the RBs coach is.

How many of you have sold a project or an application, etc. full well knowing you might be leaving the companty you are working for? Sorry, this [Mark May] happens all the time in the real business world. My wife just tooka job about a month ago with a new company. Last week they announced the person she was working for and who hired her was being transferred to a different role in a different company within the organization. Today she has a new boss. Is it right, hell I don't know, but it happens.

Win some championships and deal with some gangster [Mark May] in between. This is the Urban Meyer Experience that Ohio State signed up for and everyone here was basking in shamelessly a month ago.

Fuck it.

Like it or not, Weber just got an education on why you don't commit to coaches, you commit to programs/schools/etc.

It's easy to confuse the two....and people do it outside of college football and basketball in all relationships. Here's to Mike putting it behind him and making this about HIS future, not what some coaches are doing or not doing. The only person he'll screw is himself if he lets this situation dominate him.

I think Birm hit the nail on the head. Everyone was looking out for #1, and you know what they say about glass houses. This situation may be a bit grimy, but all parties have a little grime on their hands in this case. How many job changes are perfectly clean and grime-free? Have all of yours been spotless?

Does it suck that Weber and the rest of the team is losing an excellent coach? Sure. But guess what? Another excellent coach is going to take Stan's place very soon. He'll help Mike and the rest of us forget about (wash off) the grime in short order. Bank on it. In fact, Urb is probably already talking to said replacement coach. And then the fan base (and newly signed RBs) of the team that we grab our new RB coach from will be having a conversation similar to the one we're now having.

When you get an excellent opportunity, you take it - whether you're a coach, a recruiter, a recruit, an accountant, or a pizza delivery guy., timing be damned . That is what Stan did. It was an aggressive move by a guy who was mentored by a dude who wins championships because he wants to choke people over games of checkers. How could anyone expect him and to act passively in the face a potential move to the NFL? And how could anyone expect him to NOT continue doing his job (recruiting Mike Weber aggressively and kicking tsun's as while he was at it) in the meantime? Doing anything other than what he did is not in his nature/nurture.

And as for the lateral move stuff...uh, no. Tim Spencer (Evan's dad) made EXACTLY the same move in the not too distant past - OSU RB Coach to Bears RB Coach. It was not a lateral move.

And then there's all this, too. Which I agree with.

I don't mean for my posts to come off too angry about this. I disagree with how it played out, but I have plenty of other things to be upset about in life besides this. Things are good. And no doubt Mike Weber is in good hands with the overall support of the program, head coach, and the brotherhood of players.

Urban is going to go hire the most badass RB coach in the country. And the beat will go on.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

It doesn't feel grimy to me.
If it was a HC and/or sweeping changes on that side of the ball maybe... but assistants move around every single year.
In 4 years the only coach we can expect to still be here is Urban...

It's not the leaving that feels grimy. It's that he sat in at least one kid's living room telling him how he should be at Ohio State one day, knowing full well he wasn't going to be there himself the next.

 

[SloopyHangOn]

Urban is going to go hire the most badass RB coach in the country. And the beat will go on.

Which directional m*ch*g*n school is the Bike coaching at? Let's give him a ring, by phone that is, the poor guy's never seen the other kind.

 

[Krenzelicious]

It's not the leaving that feels grimy. It's that he sat in at least one kid's living room telling him how he should be at Ohio State one day, knowing full well he wasn't going to be there himself the next.

How do you know that he "knew full well"? Unless you can provide a link to a story that says otherwise, I would argue that none of us know how the timing of his interview process worked out (as MD has already pointed out).

 

[Honor&Glory]

Good luck to coach Drayton. Urban will hit a home run with the next hire and the beat will go on. what matters to me is the UFM re-charges his battery and holds up to the contract he made with his family...and hire the next guy and let them do the ground work...this should be an enjoyable off season. I'm checking out and letting all of you handle the drama...see you in July!