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Jaxbuck said:
IF we had lost those Bowl games then absolutely. How can anyone claim to be the best if they lose their last game of the year or any game for that matter? As I said I could see a split title between undefeateds but multiple one loss teams is just kind of weak to me as a fan.

I almost wish the polls had the balls to say "there is no #1 team this year you all sucked now go home and try again next year". :wink2:
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I don't remember seeing any of these sentiments when the Bucks were fighting for the #2 spot in the BCS late last year.
 
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I realize that. I was talking to JaxBuck, who didn't feel a 1-loss team should ever accept a MNC.

How can anyone claim to be the best if they lose their last game of the year or any game for that matter? As I said I could see a split title between undefeateds but multiple one loss teams is just kind of weak to me as a fan.

I almost wish the polls had the balls to say "there is no #1 team this year you all sucked now go home and try again next year". :wink2:
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I don't know what the landscape of CFB was back then, but if it happened today I would have serious heartburn with it
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Anytime you have a split NC because you couldn't run the table its a diminished accomplishment. A concensus NC after an undefeated season is what every team is shooting for and what people think of when they say "National Champs". I know I don't give any credence to our 1970 NC.

I would even give more weight to scUM and NU in '97 when they split the title because they were undefeated. Usually at the end of the year, no matter if you like the team or not it feels like someone actually won a NC. It's a big deal.

LSU/USC were like two fat chicks at the end of the bar when they turn on the lights. "Its gonna be someone so it might as well be you" type of thing. Barely even satisfying but puts an official end to the evening so you can go in search of a real winner again the next night.
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BSH: "I don't think anyone on here said it doesn't exist."

In Page 7 of this thread, you said (quote) "Don't you have to win the title to win back to back titles??? LSU is going for the back to back champion title. NOT usc." On Page 8, you said that, "Split champs have been going on since the dawn to time PRE BCS!!!" and, "There is only ONE national champion."

You also accused me of doctoring a banner (which was taken directly from USC's web site and untouched, btw) to unjustly claim that USC won a share of the National Championship. You've openly and flatly DENIED that USC's 2003 National Championship exists. So which is it now?

"Would you rather have just one piece of a greater picture, OR the whole damn picture?"

Dude, there's no whole picture EITHER WAY!! LSU isn't a Consensus National Champion!! Both teams won a share of the Title!!

Jax: "Anytime you have a split NC because you couldn't run the table its a diminished accomplishment. A concensus NC after an undefeated season is what every team is shooting for and what people think of when they say "National Champs."

No question about it. OSU's '02 NC (for example) is a greater accomplishment than USC or LSU in '03. But, I don't think you can say one NC is greater than the other when comparing USC to LSU.

"I would even give more weight to scUM and NU in '97 when they split the title because they were undefeated."

Agreed.
 
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I think what he means is that since the BCS rankings supposedly determine the national championship, the AP poll, which is one of several factors included in the BCS formula, is of less significance than the final BCS standings. What is missing here, however is the fact that the Coach's poll is also merely a factor in the BCS calculation, and that the BCS standings are only include the regular season. There is no BCS calculation after the bowl games. Sure the winner of the NC game automatically wins the coach's poll, and a share of the NC, but that doesn't make the coach's poll better than the AP.

(For the record, I still think LSU was a better team last year, but I have no problem with a split NC)
 
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Woody, that argument would be persuasive except that the AP poll comes out with a final ranking after the bowl games. The BCS stops before the bowls, so why would the AP come out with a final poll in January if it was merely a component? The AP is a component, but it is also more than that. It has been one of the most widely regarded NC polls for the last 70 years.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
I almost wish the polls had the balls to say "there is no #1 team this year you all sucked now go home and try again next year". :wink2:
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I agree, most of the 1A NCAA big shots use the whole "the season is a playoff" argument to defend the current BCS system and fight any effort to have a true championship game after the bowls. If this is true and the season is a playoff then if you loose a game you shouldnt be able to win the NC. I think it would be better then the bullshit system we have now where you get 3 or 4 1 loss teams that each think they deserve a shot. It is hard for me to see how 1 single loss team is more deserving to play for the NC than anyother. Just tell all the one loss teams to do a better job next year.
 
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USC Overrated?

They are a little young on the O-Line and the WR's and it showed. The biggest problem I saw with the game was the kicker for USC, he just might cost them a big game before the year is out. Bush is one hell of an athlete, but they had better find some other options for Leinhart or they may have some problems. First game though, we'll have to see.

I on the other hand am waiting for the Bucks to be playing Sat. Wooo Hoooo CFB is back!!!!!:bow:
 
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Sloopy45 said:
BSH: "I don't think anyone on here said it doesn't exist."

In Page 7 of this thread, you said (quote) "Don't you have to win the title to win back to back titles??? LSU is going for the back to back champion title. NOT usc." On Page 8, you said that, "Split champs have been going on since the dawn to time PRE BCS!!!" and, "There is only ONE national champion."

You also accused me of doctoring a banner
:stupid: DUDE - WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING? PLEASE PASS IT ALONG. WHERE DO YOU GET THIS? WHERE DID I SAY THAT? NOBODY EVEN MENTIONED ANYTHING ABOUT DOCTORING A BANNER?!?! WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?! SERIOUSLY - YOU ARE JUST MAKING UP THINGS... GO READ IT AGAIN. I SAID SHOW ME WHERE IT SAYS BCS? IT DOESN'T. HELLO. NOTHING HAS CHANGED.(which was taken directly from USC's web site and untouched, btw) to unjustly claim that USC won a share of the National Championship. You've openly and flatly DENIED that USC's 2003 National Championship exists. So which is it now? I'VE NEVER CHANGED. THERE IS ONLY ONE BCS NATIONAL CHAMPION - LSU. LSU WON IT. LSU HAS THE TROPHY. LSU WON THE BOWL GAME. LSU IS YOUR NATIONAL CHAMPION. I'M SORRY YOU DON'T WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS FACT. :smash:

"Would you rather have just one piece of a greater picture, OR the whole damn picture?"

Dude, there's no whole picture EITHER WAY!! LSU isn't a Consensus National Champion!! Both teams won a share of the Title!! BOTH TEAMS WON A SHARE OF THE BCS?!? WHAT?! UH... NO. LSU WON THE BCS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. BECAUSE USC DIDN'T, AND PISSED AND MOANED THEY FIGURED THEY COULD AT LEAST CLAIM BEING # 1 IN THE AP POLL.. WHOOP DEDOOO. :crazy:

Jax: "Anytime you have a split NC because you couldn't run the table its a diminished accomplishment. A concensus NC after an undefeated season is what every team is shooting for and what people think of when they say "National Champs." SORT OF AGREE. WHEN I THINK OF NATIONAL CHAMPS I THINK OF WHO FINISHED THE SEASON # 1. THAT WAS LSU. THEY BEAT OKLAHOMA IN THE SUGAR BOWL.

No question about it. OSU's '02 NC (for example) is a greater accomplishment than USC or LSU in '03. But, I don't think you can say one NC is greater than the other when comparing USC to LSU.

"I would even give more weight to scUM and NU in '97 when they split the title because they were undefeated."

Agreed.
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sigh..

methomps said:
Woody, that argument would be persuasive except that the AP poll comes out with a final ranking after the bowl games. The BCS stops before the bowls, so why would the AP come out with a final poll in January if it was merely a component? The AP is a component, but it is also more than that. It has been one of the most widely regarded NC polls for the last 70 years.
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Because the AP poll is used in conjunction with two other components to DETERMINE who plays in the BCS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. #1 vs #2. You don't need another poll after that.... the winner of this game is the national champion. see?

Kahuna825 said:
They are a little young on the O-Line and the WR's and it showed. The biggest problem I saw with the game was the kicker for USC, he just might cost them a big game before the year is out. Bush is one hell of an athlete, but they had better find some other options for Leinhart or they may have some problems. First game though, we'll have to see.

I on the other hand am waiting for the Bucks to be playing Sat. Wooo Hoooo CFB is back!!!!!:bow:
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AMEN TO THAT! GO BUCKS. :osu4::gobucks3: :gobucks4:
 
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