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Songs/Music style that you believe to suck or blow

I think alot of metal, or death metal.........where maybe not lacking in talent, lacks organization. Difference there. As BKB said, alot of their guitarists are very talented. As well as the drummers.

And no, we shouldnt stop talking about this, I started the thread for this purpose......to get discussion going. A little disagreement is good for people :p
 
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Bmax, BuckeyeKilla is holding your former sig hostage over on the Gentry injured thread. If that thread wasn't as serious as it is, I'd recommend you go deal with him before taking a beating from me. I smoked in High School, you aint want none of this.
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turntablism
Turntables were first used as musical instruments in the 1940's and 1950's by musique concrète and other experimental composers, such as John Cage and Pierre Schaeffer, who used them in a manner similar to digital sampling. (Even earlier, Edgard Varese experimented with turntables in 1930, though he never produced any works using them.) Modern experimental turntablists include Christian Marclay, Otomo Yoshihide, Philip Jeck and Janek Schaefer.

Hip hop DJ's developed independently of the earlier techniques, and the sounds produced by these experimental composers are quite different from later hip hop turntablism.
Like many other musical instrumentalists, turntablists compete to see who can develop the fastest, most innovative and most creative approaches to their instrument. The selection of a champion comes from the culmination of battles between turntablists.
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Edit - Swim Team beat me to it. Darn.
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turntablism

Don't call people morons if you don't research it a little.
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Regardless of what Wikipedia says, I would wager that a majority (I'm not saying all) of people would not consider turntables a "musical instrument".

From dictionary.com
turn·ta·ble ** (*P*)**Pronunciation Key**(tûrntbl)
n.

1.
a. The circular horizontal rotating platform of a phonograph on which the record is placed.
b. A phonograph exclusive of amplifying circuitry and speakers.

2. A circular horizontal rotating platform equipped with a railway track, used for turning locomotives, as in a roundhouse.
3. A rotating platform or disk, such as a lazy Susan.

gui·tar ** (*P*)**Pronunciation Key**(g-tär)
n.

A musical instrument having a large flat-backed sound box, a long fretted neck, and usually six strings, played by strumming or plucking.

drum ** (*P*)**Pronunciation Key**(drm)
n.

1.
a. A percussion instrument consisting of a hollow cylinder or hemisphere with a membrane stretched tightly over one or both ends, played by beating with the hands or sticks.
b. A sound produced by this instrument.
 
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I'm with the kids on this one. Used in the way described, a turntable is a musical instrument.

Now, you can certainly argue that it does not require the skill of some other instruments, and that most people take it seriously enough or are skilled enough to be considered artists... though I've heard a couple that would qualify. I would not consider someone just goofing around on a turntable a musician... but the same goes for people who just learn a few chords on the guitar and figure that's enough. The differences are of degree, and the worth of the performance is subjective.
 
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Ah yes, I can see now that we are on the same page to some extent. What I think can't be done is a comparison of "talent" (or what is perceived as talent) between genres of music. I am by no means saying someone working a drum machine is as talented as a skilled drummer, that's just not right at all. Also, what constitutes what is "important" for rap music can not possibly be what is "important" for rock, or jazz, or country for that matter. You can draw parallels, but that's about it.

Hey, I can accept that. I'm perfectly willing to call it "different kinds of talent"...I did that in my first post. Some of these rap producers are incredible, no doubt. I've known very accomplished musicians who couldn't produce a one track song. You have to kick them out of the studio after their part is done. It takes a certain kind of person, with a very good ear to be a good producer. It's incredibly tedious and monotonous work and the fact is that no matter how good the song is, if it's produced like a steaming pile of dog shit, nobody will buy it...

I personally believe that across the industry, no matter what genre we individually like, we are all being subjected to garbage for the most part. Everything now is either "flavor of the month" or way to dependant on "image" or "looks" or whatever you want to call it. (I personally blame Mtv for that) There are a lot of creative people out there who will never get a chance because of the superficiality in the industry right now. Case in point, I know two chicks that could sing rings around Jessica Simpson. Unfortunately, if they happen to fall on Jessica Simpson as they sang a ring around her, Jessica probably would be dead :biggrin: (Mama Cass anyone?)...It's a shame really...Hopefully all the new technology will continue to make it easier and easier to produce your own stuff...It's already possible to produce damn close to commercial grade recordings for just a couple thousand dollars worth of gear...I hope that trend continues...
 
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