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Should semipro/college players be paid, or allowed to sell their stuff? (NIL)

If this happens, and it will (no later than 2025), the calls to pay players will (rightfully) increase. More money, more games being played, and more reasons for stars to opt out if they're not being compensated fairly.

12-TEAM PLAYOFF PROPOSED BY COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYOFF WORKING GROUP

I agree with the point you're making, but technically it will be no later than the 2026 season. The current contract goes through the 2025 season. While they cite how complicated it would be to expand before the current contract runs out, I expect that they will expand before 2026. There's too much money at stake for them to refrain. The only reason that it might not happen is that there will be several people at the table, all wanting their "share" of the bigger pie. It will only take one of the members at the table to be irrationally greedy to stall the reconfiguration of the contract necessary to expand while it's still in play.

So yes, I expect that the talks to amend the contract will stall. But I also expect that the sticking point will "leak" and that whatever external pressure is necessary will be brought to bear against the intransigent parties to get them to back down. This doesn't mean that I believe that the rationale side of the argument will win. It means that when there's this much money at stake, the more powerful side will get their way, whether they're in the right or not.
 
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Some of the takes about how NIL is going to "TOTALLY CHANGE THE LANDSCAPE OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL!" are hilarious

Like this



I doubt high level recruits are going to be flocking to Temple, Tulane and Tulsa because they are in "good markets"
 
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1. Goodbye to non-revenue sports except those required to match Title IX requirements.
2. Goodbye to the MAC, AAC, Mountain West.
3. Hello to eight-team major conferences or the development of minor league NFL, NBA.
4. The start of a new era. I'm not sure how I'll feel about it.
 
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1. Goodbye to non-revenue sports except those required to match Title IX requirements.
2. Goodbye to the MAC, AAC, Mountain West.
3. Hello to eight-team major conferences or the development of minor league NFL, NBA.
4. The start of a new era. I'm not sure how I'll feel about it.

Just sayin': The Gang Of Five conferences (AAC, Conference USA, MAC, Mountain West and Sun Belt) think they are "In Like Flint" with the proposed new CFP 12 team format. They probably never seriously thought about the impact/ramifications of the NIL and NCAA transfer programs, etc. The Gang Of Five schools won't be able to sign any top tier recruits; and if they do find a "diamond in the ruff" lower ranked recruit, he'll immediately be looking to transfer to a Power 5 school where he can get some of the NIL money too, etc. The highest ranked Gang Of Five conference champion could easily be ranked out of the top 25. The gap between the "have schools" and the "have not schools" just got a lot wider.

College Football Playoff 12-team expansion: SEC, Group of Five among winners; Rose Bowl tops losers

Winners
Group of Five: AAC commissioner Mike Aresco, who has lobbied so long and hard for his conference's inclusion, was headed out to dinner Thursday night with his wife. He was asked facetiously if he was on his second bottle of champagne. "I may drink it straight out of the bottle," Aresco said.

It's time to celebrate for the Group of Five conferences. The AAC, Conference USA, MAC, Mountain West and Sun Belt got what they always desired: a seat the table. Maybe more than one as the recommendation calls for the six highest-ranked conference champions (not specified to include the Power Five) plus six at-large teams in the field. That's another way of saying, for the first time, the Group of Five will be guaranteed at least one opportunity to play for the national championship.

In fact, Group of Five could get multiple berths. That would have happened last year when No. 8 Cincinnati and No. 12 Coastal Carolina would have gotten into the field as conference champions ahead of No. 25 Oregon.

The commissioners had to know what they were doing. That possibility makes the model a slam dunk when the presidents consider it. The access "problem" that has existed for almost a quarter century in the BCS and CFP has been addressed. Major-college football has never done Cinderellas well. Can't wait to see who fits the glass slipper first.

Entire article: https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...-of-five-among-winners-rose-bowl-tops-losers/
 
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Just sayin': The Gang Of Five conferences (AAC, Conference USA, MAC, Mountain West and Sun Belt) think they are "In Like Flint" with the proposed new CFP 12 team format. They probably never seriously thought about the impact/ramifications of the NIL and NCAA transfer programs, etc. The Gang Of Five schools won't be able to sign any top tier recruits; and if they do find a "diamond in the ruff" lower ranked recruit, he'll immediately be looking to transfer to a Power 5 school where he can get some of the NIL money too, etc. The highest ranked Gang Of Five conference champion could easily be ranked out of the top 25. The gap between the "have schools" and the "have not schools" just got a lot wider.

How come you think the G5 schools don’t have alumni or local businesses that will pay players for their NIL?

In Akron alone, I know Goodyear is already looking into it. There’s a bunch of car dealerships that will pay these guys to be in a commercial. They also have apparel deals as well.

My best friend’s son plays for Central Michigan and they’ve been setting those guys up for those opportunities as well.
 
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How come you think the G5 schools don’t have alumni or local businesses that will pay players for their NIL?

In Akron alone, I know Goodyear is already looking into it. There’s a bunch of car dealerships that will pay these guys to be in a commercial. They also have apparel deals as well.

My best friend’s son plays for Central Michigan and they’ve been setting those guys up for those opportunities as well.

It seems like the over-reaction to the supreme court decision is to immediately only think about the power 5 and basically call this a death knell to the G5.

The big boys will stay on top but for the more medium sized fish - teams like UCF/Boise maybe - smaller schools that either get hyped up or, like UCF, are in an ideal area for recruiting and near a large population base, the chances are there with NIL to start poaching guys. Not everyone is going to make out in NIL - and while $$$ is great (just wait until they realize they get to pay taxes now too! :lol: ) I would think the vast majority of players are still going to want to play football first.
 
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How come you think the G5 schools don’t have alumni or local businesses that will pay players for their NIL?

In Akron alone, I know Goodyear is already looking into it. There’s a bunch of car dealerships that will pay these guys to be in a commercial. They also have apparel deals as well.

My best friend’s son plays for Central Michigan and they’ve been setting those guys up for those opportunities as well.

I didn't mean to imply that no player at a school like Akron would have an opportunity for NIL money. I'm sure a few of their players will; however, it will be significantly less than what a comparable player at a school like Ohio State will be able to earn. The best players at a contending Power 5 school could be earning 5 or 6 figure (maybe even 7) NIL money while the best players at Akron might be earning only 3 or 4 figure NIL money, etc. Hence (besides playing for a team that has a real chance for the CFPs or a top bowl game) it's an incentive to transfer. Sadly, Akron football just isn't noted for having a lot of local fan support:

 
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Former USC long-snapper Jake Olson experienced NIL chaos; now it's his business

Jake Olson leans forward, resting his elbows on a long wooden table in a Newport Beach, California, office where the five-man leadership group of his budding tech start-up is dialing into a pitch meeting. It's the start of a new round of fundraising, and he tells the wealthy men on the other end of the call that their business, and their industry, is on the precipice of exponential growth.

His two most trusted and loyal companions sit by his side. Daniel Hennes, the company's CEO who was previously Olson's roommate at USC, is rattling off talking points about the huge opportunity in front of them at his typical breakneck pace. Quebec, Olson's 11-year-old guide dog who was previously listed as the company's Chief Barking Officer, is snoring softly as he naps at Olson's feet.

Olson wears a pair of dark sunglasses and his company's name, Engage, across the chest of a gray T-shirt. He is explaining to the potential investors how he and Hennes used their unique experience in college to build an online platform to make it easier for companies to book athletes and other celebrities for speaking events. After weathering the pandemic, Olson and Hennes believe the coming year will be a boon for multiple reasons -- not the least of which is the unprecedented influx of eligible talent expected to invade the marketplace this summer.

"I'm telling you right now," Hennes chimes in on the call, "a year from now there will be five other things we're doing to make us money that we're not even thinking of right now."

Possibilities stretch further than the imagination at the moment for an industry that has grown quickly in anticipation of a tectonic change coming to the college sports world. Starting July 1, NCAA athletes in at least a half dozen states will be allowed to start making money from third-party endorsements. State laws will guarantee that players can profit from selling the rights to their name, image and likeness (NIL) in a wide variety of ways. The NCAA plans to vote at some point in the next week on rule changes that could open similar opportunities for every athlete under its authority.

College athletes in those states will be able to sign endorsement deals with sponsors or make money from speaking engagements, autograph signings, live event appearances, sports camps and lessons, social media shoutouts and any number of creative ways to cash in on their skills, life stories and popularity. Sorting through all those opportunities presents a daunting proposition for athletes.

Engage is one of dozens of companies hoping to take advantage of a potentially massive nascent market by using technology to make the process of building a brand and signing deals as simple and efficient as possible.

"You are going to need representation. And not only just any representation, but representation that actually cares about you," Olson says. "... So what I'm doing now is I've created this company that, in my hopes, is to help give structure to individuals who want to speak, who are speaking, who don't know how to represent themselves, who are kind of lost in this crazy landscape that is the engagement world."

Entire article: https://www.espn.com/college-footba...jake-olson-experienced-nil-chaos-now-business
 
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I didn't mean to imply that no player at a school like Akron would have an opportunity for NIL money. I'm sure a few of their players will; however, it will be significantly less than what a comparable player at a school like Ohio State will be able to earn. The best players at a contending Power 5 school could be earning 5 or 6 figure (maybe even 7) NIL money while the best players at Akron might be earning only 3 or 4 figure NIL money, etc. Hence (besides playing for a team that has a real chance for the CFPs or a top bowl game) it's an incentive to transfer. Sadly, Akron football just isn't noted for having a lot of local fan support:



Incentive to transfer? There’s still a finite amount of scholarships.

Of course players on teams with better fanbases and/or geographical location will have more opportunities, but will that same MAC player be able to go to a P5 school and replicate the success? How often has that happened?
 
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Former USC long-snapper Jake Olson experienced NIL chaos; now it's his business

Jake Olson leans forward, resting his elbows on a long wooden table in a Newport Beach, California, office where the five-man leadership group of his budding tech start-up is dialing into a pitch meeting. It's the start of a new round of fundraising, and he tells the wealthy men on the other end of the call that their business, and their industry, is on the precipice of exponential growth.

His two most trusted and loyal companions sit by his side. Daniel Hennes, the company's CEO who was previously Olson's roommate at USC, is rattling off talking points about the huge opportunity in front of them at his typical breakneck pace. Quebec, Olson's 11-year-old guide dog who was previously listed as the company's Chief Barking Officer, is snoring softly as he naps at Olson's feet.

Olson wears a pair of dark sunglasses and his company's name, Engage, across the chest of a gray T-shirt. He is explaining to the potential investors how he and Hennes used their unique experience in college to build an online platform to make it easier for companies to book athletes and other celebrities for speaking events. After weathering the pandemic, Olson and Hennes believe the coming year will be a boon for multiple reasons -- not the least of which is the unprecedented influx of eligible talent expected to invade the marketplace this summer.

"I'm telling you right now," Hennes chimes in on the call, "a year from now there will be five other things we're doing to make us money that we're not even thinking of right now."

Possibilities stretch further than the imagination at the moment for an industry that has grown quickly in anticipation of a tectonic change coming to the college sports world. Starting July 1, NCAA athletes in at least a half dozen states will be allowed to start making money from third-party endorsements. State laws will guarantee that players can profit from selling the rights to their name, image and likeness (NIL) in a wide variety of ways. The NCAA plans to vote at some point in the next week on rule changes that could open similar opportunities for every athlete under its authority.

College athletes in those states will be able to sign endorsement deals with sponsors or make money from speaking engagements, autograph signings, live event appearances, sports camps and lessons, social media shoutouts and any number of creative ways to cash in on their skills, life stories and popularity. Sorting through all those opportunities presents a daunting proposition for athletes.

Engage is one of dozens of companies hoping to take advantage of a potentially massive nascent market by using technology to make the process of building a brand and signing deals as simple and efficient as possible.

"You are going to need representation. And not only just any representation, but representation that actually cares about you," Olson says. "... So what I'm doing now is I've created this company that, in my hopes, is to help give structure to individuals who want to speak, who are speaking, who don't know how to represent themselves, who are kind of lost in this crazy landscape that is the engagement world."

Entire article: https://www.espn.com/college-footba...jake-olson-experienced-nil-chaos-now-business

Olson is either a great guy with his heart in the right place, or he’s just the first slime covered slug to crawl out of the wood-pile looking for his slice of the NIL pie. Speaking as a man with an 18 year old son, I’m happy, for once, that my son got my genes, athletically speaking. Because of that, my opinion on whether Olson is a great guy or a snake oil salesman will have no impact on my son’s future. I suspect it’s the latter… but I don’t really care either way. For my son’s sake, I’m glad I have the luxury of not caring.
 
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