Should semipro/college players be paid, or allowed to sell their stuff? (NIL and Revenue Sharing)

[BUCKYLE]

The B1G stands to increase revenue by a large margin with the next TV deal. Each year these schools make more and more money. Coaches salaries will probably break 10mil a year by 2025. If the money involved wasn't in the Billions, I wouldn't care so much. Just seems crazy to me that all D1 schools find and have found money for coaches salaries, facility upgrades for all these years, only making more money as the years roll, yet we're expected to believe 1mil a year to wet the beak of the guys making the money would be a financial disaster.

 

[Steve19]

Agreeing to pay players will lead to the death of college football within a decade. Universities, as we know them, are on very shaky ground due to new models of delivery for teritiary education products. Most college athletics departments are taking strain. This is big.

 

[Tanner]

Yes.

 

[Muck]

Agreeing to pay players will lead to the death of college football within a decade.

As much as I hate to say it, I really believe we are to the point where that is what needs to happen (in bold).

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

As much as I hate to say it, I really believe we are to the point where that is what needs to happen (in bold).

I'm curious as to possible suggestions to save the patient. I'm the proverbial broken record regarding a professional minor league, but that only solves some issues in my mind. Thoughts?

 

[MaxBuck]

Many people said allowing pros in the Olympics would kill the Olympics. Quite the opposite has actually happened.

Paying players will not "kill" college football. But the game will change substantially. On the other hand, it's changed substantially in the 40 or so years since I left college, so change of one sort or another is inevitable regardless.

 

[Muck]

I'm curious as to possible suggestions to save the patient. I'm the proverbial broken record regarding a professional minor league, but that only solves some issues in my mind. Thoughts?

The collusion between the NFL & NCAA must be broken as a first step. It's ridiculous that a 14 y/o can be playing professional soccer or tennis but that the NFL won't look to hire an adult until he's spent a couple of years in college. Either the NFL draft should be moved to the summer or a second draft needs to be implemented (just repurpose the supplemental draft perhaps) and 18 y/os who have graduated should be immediately eligible. If the NFL needs to create a farm system to make room for those younger players, then so be it. That's their problem, the NCAA should have nothing to do with it.

Second there needs to be a competent oversight committee with the means & the power to properly investigate & adequately punish transgressers. "UNC, you've been committing academic fraud? Sorry, no games for you this year. Oh you other ACC teams don't like that? Tough, you should done a better job policing your own." "Miami? You know what, fuck you, you're done.", "Same with you Auburn, time and time again you don't change".

There also needs to be a way to sever the power of third party groups like Nike, ESPN & the other various parties that take advantage of young athletes for their own gain.

Finally, it'll probably be necessary to commit genocide against southerners. I just don't see a realistic alternative to break them from being underhanded, corrupt grifters.

Many people said allowing pros in the Olympics would kill the Olympics. Quite the opposite has actually happened.

The Olympiad is quite dead. The week long NBC commercial that replaced it is not the Olympics.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

The collusion between the NFL & NCAA must be broken as a first step. It's ridiculous that a 14 y/o can be playing professional soccer or tennis but that the NFL won't look to hire an adult until he's spent a couple of years in college. Either the NFL draft should be moved to the summer or a second draft needs to be implemented (just repurpose the supplemental draft perhaps) and 18 y/os who have graduated should be immediately eligible. If the NFL needs to create a farm system to make room for those younger players, then so be it. That's their problem, the NCAA should have nothing to do with it.

Second there needs to be a competent oversight committee with the means & the power to properly investigate & adequately punish transgressers. "UNC, you've been committing academic fraud? Sorry, no games for you this year. Oh you other ACC teams don't like that? Tough, you should done a better job policing your own." "Miami? You know what, [censored] you, you're done.", "Same with you Auburn, time and time again you don't change".

There also needs to be a way to sever the power of third party groups like Nike, ESPN & the other various parties that take advantage of young athletes for their own gain.

Finally, it'll probably be necessary to commit genocide against southerners. I just don't see a realistic alternative to break them from being underhanded, corrupt grifters.

To which I would add some semblance of rationality in accepting athletes into colleges. When you have kids showing up with SAT scores 400 points lower than an average freshman, you literally open the door wide open for sham majors and academic fraud. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be some allowance, but any athlete accepted should at least be within striking distance of the bottom range of normally accepted students and have a fighting chance of succeeding in a normal major.

The one straw man that defenders of the current system seem to bring up is the hypothetical music student whose musical talent gets them accepted into a university. Perhaps that student might get a bit of a bump, but I highly doubt Ms. Cellist Prodigy is rolling onto campus with a [censored]ing 860 on her SAT.

The Olympiad is quite dead. The week long NBC commercial that replaced it is not the Olympics.

You mean the Quadrennial International Gymnastics and Figure Skating Competitions.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

Dennis Dodd and Division 4

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...division-4-to-revolutionize-college-athletics

Get ready, then, for Division 4, where those BCS schools (Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12, ACC, SEC) are going to set their own rules.
? Theoretically they not only will be able to pay players, but pay them as much as they want -- $5,000, $10,000 per year? Why not? In the new governance structure, there'd be no MAC schools to vote it down.
? Forget a four-team playoff. How soon could Division 4 officials institute an eight-teamer? As soon as they damn well please.
? Might as well forget "Division 4" as a formal label too. Couldn't the schools sell naming rights since the NCAA that now will only nominally oversee big-time football won't have much of a say?
Think of the new subdivision as the NFL -- Nike Football League ? if the shoe giant wins the contract.
? There would be fewer chances for legal liability. Instead of the NCAA fighting the O'Bannon lawsuit, Division 4 could openly negotiate with video game manufacturers, use players likenesses, numbers, names and faces -- and distribute the revenue back to the players.

 

[Muck]

To which I would add some semblance of rationality in accepting athletes into colleges. When you have kids showing up with SAT scores 400 points lower than an average freshman, you literally open the door wide open for sham majors and academic fraud. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be some allowance, but any athlete accepted should at least be within striking distance of the bottom range of normally accepted students and have a fighting chance of succeeding in a normal major.

The one straw man that defenders of the current system seem to bring up is the hypothetical music student whose musical talent gets them accepted into a university. Perhaps that student might get a bit of a bump, but I highly doubt Ms. Cellist Prodigy is rolling onto campus with a [censored]ing 860 on her SAT.

Absolutely & I completely wiffed by not including that in my initial post.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Absolutely & I completely wiffed by not including that in my initial post.

It appears that the original article from the Atlanta newspaper is gone, but here's a good synopsis of the huge gaps between scholarship football players and normal students.

http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/paper-trail/2008/12/30/athletes-show-huge-gaps-in-sat-scores

Ohio State isn't included, but I would estimate that an average SAT in the mid 900s is probably accurate, which would mean slightly more than 300 points lower than the average freshman. Assuming that a portion of every freshman class has some players at or above the normal student average, then that means that we are letting in a significant number of football players scoring less than 900 on the test. Remember that you get 400 points just for writing your name (making your mark?) on the top of the test sheet.........and we're supposed to give them a paycheck too?

 

[BigWoof31]

A possible suggestion (albeit - still paying players) is to lump it into some type of deferred payment plan.
I can't believe I'm comparing the two, but I would support something that was structured like a pension.

As opposed to a scenario where a player is played weekly or annually, lump the money together and give it to him/her upon graduation.

No diploma, no money.

 

[Bucky32]

David Shaw weighs in.

Stanford's Shaw: Stipends? Emphasis should be raising grad rates - CBS Sports

CULVER CITY, Calif. -- In just two seasons David Shaw has proven to be one of the top coaches in college football. The 40-year-old has led Stanford to a record of 23-4 and consecutive top-seven finishes. In his first season running the show in Palo Alto, he showed there's life after Jim Harbaugh. In 2012, he proved there's life after Andrew Luck. Along the way, Shaw's also emerged as one of the strongest voices in the college football coaching community. On Friday, at the Pac-12's media day, Shaw, again, was not shy about speaking out about a controversial topic.

In his press conference, while flanked by two of his top players, as David Yankey and Shayne Skov were asked about the cost of attendance stipend and how much $2,000 would mean to them to have during the school year and how hard is it to "get by," especially in such an expensive area such as Palo Alto, Shaw also weighed in.

 

[Muck]

Dave Shaw is a very good dude.

 

[OHSportsFan]

Andrew Brandt ‏@adbrandt5m
Re Foster/Manziel/OSU stories, top agent told me "By the time we get to the top guys, they've already been taken care of for years."

Brandt lectures at Wharton and has an extensive history in the NFL as an executive (business analyst, negotiations, law). Not that this is anything earth-shattering.

It's a boring Saturday.