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Should semipro/college players be paid, or allowed to sell their stuff? (NIL and Revenue Sharing)

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One Miami grad's opinion on NCAA hypocrisy

Posted on: August 18, 2011 4:38 pm
Edited on: August 18, 2011 5:35 pm


In May, Adam Bates received his law degree and master's in Middle Eastern studies from Michigan. In 2007, he got his undergraduate degree in political science at Miami.
Bates, 26, is starting an internship with the Cato Institute in Washington, D.C., next month. He is a bright young man, very bright.
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He also happens to have been a walk-on offensive lineman at the University of Miami from 2003-05. He feels strongly about the hypocrisy of the NCAA and its "amateur athletics."
Bates told me he's been making these arguments for years, but the Miami situation hit home, so he made his feelings known with an impassioned take on his Facebook page Wednesday night.
"I have a hard time stomaching the party line that this is amateur athletics," Bates told me. "It's all about the money. The arm races, the [salaries of] coaches.
"The NCAA doesn't want to deal with this -- if it all. If not for [the media] discovering these situations, the NCAA would still stick its head in the sand. If [the media] sorted through everyone's laundry, they would find the same stuff that Yahoo did at Miami."
Bates' strong view on the so-called "amateur" aspect of college athletics:
"There is an awful lot of righteous indignation floating around college football lately. A man spending the next 20 years of his life in federal prison for fleecing investors out of more than $900 million says he gave some money and benefits to some Miami Hurricanes over the last 10 years. I'm not interested in talking about what did or didn't happen. I'm not interested in confirming or denying the spiteful ramblings of an insecure snitch with an inferiority complex. I'm interested in talking about hypocrisy.


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"The NCAA and ESPN are going to be telling you that some great kids are scumbags because they allegedly broke rules designed to keep them poor and implemented by people making money hand over fist. An ESPN shill in a $5,000 suit is going to ask you to morally condemn the kids who provide the framework for said shill to make enough money to afford that suit because those kids might have taken some free food and drinks. They're going to be called 'cheaters' despite the obvious fact that boat trips don't make you run any faster or hit any harder.
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"I don't know much about players taking 'illegal benefits' and if I did I wouldn't be snitching about it like a lowlife, but I can tell you this: I hope to the bottom of my soul that every player in America is on the take, because they're getting shafted. The powers that be make too much money this way to ever change, and the rest of the country seems far too committed to delusions, institutional partisanship, and jealousy to see their own glass houses, so take what you can get while you can get it, youngbloods. You earned it."
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OSU_Buckguy;1971877; said:
meh. the players are still getting a free education, free room, and free board. most importantly to them, they are getting free training for a job that can pay millions of dollars in the first year. what degree at miami offers the same opportunity?

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Slaves got free room and board, free food, etc. I'm just tired of the NCAA, Conferences, and schools acting like Socialists (Defending their exploitation of football and basketball for the better good of sports like diving, etc.) but profiting like capitalists. If you want to pay yourselves like capitalists and corporatize the sport like you have been, then there should be additional compensation for the kids generating the profit.

Really, I don't want to see that. I'd like to see college athletics take a step back. Stop these huge deals with Nike. No way in hell should these enormous profits from jersey sales driven by the likeness of specific players be allowed to occur. No way in hell should EA Sports be allowed to profit like they do from selling the likeness of amateur athletes in their games.

These profits are leading rational men to make irrational decisions. There's not a level playing ground and too much money and fame are at stake. You want athletes to make better decisions? Stop making it so easy to break the rules then. Put the word "Student" back into student athlete. College isn't for everyone. A lot of the guys who are breaking rules are the same guys who got into college through some loophole. Stop letting dumb kids into college and maybe you can eliminate a lot of these bad apples.
 
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Dan Wetzel making sense again? No Wai!

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The people running college athletics are desperate for money ? for themselves and their salaries and their facilities, for their private planes and their comped cars and their golf-course memberships.
They want to avoid paying players and taxes as if they run a little league, then get paid and pampered like they run the NFL.
Everyone is chasing the cash. Everyone was chasing Nevin Shapiro.
Now the truth has come out. The old charade has been exposed again, a parade of players seeking an under-the-table handout from an out-of-control booster.
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Guys wanted to party on a yacht. Guys wanted to drink free in a VIP section of a nightclub. Guys wanted some cash, or a mansion to hang out in, or some extra money for a big hit, or maybe even the wildest of parties.
It?s not abnormal behavior from 20-year-olds.


Except in the mind of the NCAA, which is so far backward, it?s wasting time arguing over whether offering players a minor monthly stipend will cut too far into the adults? gravy train.
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BB73;1971976; said:
I wasn't such a fan of him 2 months ago.

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Yeah I wasn't thrilled about that either. I think Wetzel's agenda is to make the big programs pay for violating, in his view, meaningless NCAA rules and hope that major sanctions at these premier programs force the hands of the powers-that-be into changing the status quo. To that end, the more people get riled up over programs like tOSU the better. So I understand why he wrote it, even though it wasn't a fun read.


(Not sure if this is more relevant in that other thread you posted earlier, apologies for the OT post)
 
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iBucki;1971980; said:
Yeah I wasn't thrilled about that either. I think Wetzel's agenda is to make the big programs pay for violating, in his view, meaningless NCAA rules and hope that major sanctions at these premier programs force the hands of the powers-that-be into changing the status quo. To that end, the more people get riled up over programs like tOSU the better. So I understand why he wrote it, even though it wasn't a fun read.

(Not sure if this is more relevant in that other thread you posted earlier, apologies for the OT post)
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Agreed. Wetzel has an agenda, he also disapproves of colleges making big bucks when players can't market themselves. He also hates the BCS (NOT a topic for this or the other thread).

NOTE - some of these recent posts have been moved from the Miami/Shapiro thread. There's a lot going on over there, and I think the 'extra benefits' discussion is better off being here.
 
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How many of these schools get a profit from their athletics? It isn't many, is it? Sure, the football programs make them gazillions, and basketball might make them a little. But the rest of the sports don't. Do you pay just the revenue-generating players? I think somewhere I heard that Title IX would be involved - that any fancy-pants benefit the school provides to one player has to be provided to all players, of all sports. So unless the school is making a profit across all athletics, where do they find the money to pay all the athletes?

So only the schools who are currently making money in their athletics can afford to pay their athletes. That's going to increase the difference between the "haves" and the "have-nots". That's not going to make the NCAA too happy. And who knows (not me) - maybe there is some anti-trust situation there, too (I'm not a lawyer, though). But we may see a schism within the FBS. Maybe half of the teams have to drop down to the FCS. I'd be ok with that, I suppose.

Allow boosters to pay the players? I guess I don't have a real strong argument against that. I don't like it, but I can't justify it. Same with selling memorabilia. I don't like it, but can't justify the argument.

I don't know how this currently works, but I'm starting to think that the money video games make, and the money Nike and other companies make off selling the likeness of players is pretty gruesome. I don't know if Title IX gets involved here, either, but maybe EA should work out a deal with the NCAA. Maybe 20% of the sales of their games should go to the players, evenly. (The top dude in the game gets no more than the back-up left guard for the worst team.)

As for the jerseys and anything else that can be traced to buying a specific player's likeness, it's like the boosters. You can work out a deal and say that 20% of the sales go to that player, but then I think marketing enters the picture. Do you want to pay a player more based on his marketing? Again, I don't like it, but can't argue against it.

I think that, in the end, if we're going to pay the players, there will need to be a higher ranking of teams. Maybe 40 teams in this "paid" league, and everyone else stays below.
 
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These guys don't want to be slaves they should read the fine print on the LOI.

Remember when JaJa Riley tried to go to UNLV and the Ohio Highway patrol picked him up at the border and brought him back?
 
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southcampus;1971963; said:
Slaves got free room and board, free food, etc.
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[SlaveOwner] Why, I remember my slaves. Take Tacitus. I used my own money to feed him and cloth him for four years while he worked in the cane fields, just singing those good old spirituals. After four years I talked him up to some of the other rich slave owners. He told me he was done being my slave, and signed a million dollar contract to cut cane for the National F*cking League of cane cutters.

I am so happy the Yankees stopped slavery.[/SlaveOwner]
 
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