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Should Penn State Suspend Its Football Program?

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Should Penn State Suspend Its Football Program?

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Vinsanity

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Curious about everyone's feelings, since this thought recurs on all the Penn State/Sandusky/Paterno threads.

Without regard to any NCAA intrusion or decision, should Penn State discipline itself?
Curious about everyone's feelings, since this thought recurs on all the Penn State/Sandusky/Paterno threads.
 
sepia5;2174020; said:
I voted for yes, indefinitely. To be fair, though, I would have selected that option even before the Sandusky, Paterno, Curly, Spanier, et al fiasco.
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You are clearly just scared of the utter domination that Penn State has been waiting 20 years to unleash on the conference. As soon as the entire world ends its conspiracy to hold their program down, they will dominate college football like we have never seen before.

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Be scared. Be very scared.
 
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Buckeye86;2174032; said:
You are clearly just scared of the utter domination that Penn State has been waiting 20 years to unleash on the conference. As soon as the entire world ends its conspiracy to hold their program down, they will dominate college football like we have never seen before.

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Be scared. Be very scared.
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That must've been one gruesome nail gun accident.
 
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Taosman;2174045; said:
Why punish all the other sports for the football program? The football program pays for every other sport male or female at Ped State.
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So in every other instance of sanctioning a football program, innocent players, the student body at large or the athletic department budget have never been harmed?

The key factor in the Ped Aggy case is that the entire institution was off the rails. If the athletic department needs to feel the pain, so be it.
 
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Let's be fair here, if the same thing happened at Ohio State no real Buckeye fan would vote to suspend the football program. We'd want to punish those involved to the full extent of the law, but we wouldn't want the "football death penality" nor would we consider it justified.

:osu:
 
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ScriptOhio;2174058; said:
Let's be fair here, if the same thing happened at Ohio State no real Buckeye fan would vote to suspend the football program. We'd want to punish those involved to the full extent of the law, but we wouldn't want the "football death penality" nor would we consider it justified.

:osu:
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I would, and I would precisely because I would consider it absolutely necessary for the university to reassert control over an out of control football program, a warped and self-destructive culture and to get its fucking priorities straight.

There are two situations to be dealt with at Ped Aggy. The first is about what to do with individuals who broke the law. The second and larger situation at Ped Aggy is not about individuals. Though granted Paterno's long tenure and apparent megalomania was a primary catalyst for it, the other issue at Ped Aggy was one of a complete and dysfunctional lack of institutional control over the football program. A situation came into being where the needs of the football program and its coach took primacy over any and all other institutional considerations--including putting a stop to child rape in its own facilities. You don't fix that by punishing a few individuals. You fix it by tearing the program down and starting from scratch.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;2174060; said:
I would, and I would precisely because I would consider it absolutely necessary for the university to reassert control over an out of control football program, a warped and self-destructive culture and to get its [censored]ing priorities straight.

There are two situations to be dealt with at Ped Aggy. The first is about what to do with individuals who broke the law. The second and larger situation at Ped Aggy is not about individuals. Though granted Paterno's long tenure and apparent megalomania was a primary catalyst for it, the other issue at Ped Aggy was one of a complete and dysfunctional lack of institutional control over the football program. A situation came into being where the needs of the football program and its coach took primacy over any and all other institutional considerations--including putting a stop to child rape in its own facilities. You don't fix that by punishing a few individuals. You fix it by tearing the program down and starting from scratch.
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I disagree, it is all about the actions/attitudes/decisions of individuals. Lack of institutional control is just individuals blatantly/consistantly doing the wrong thing and/or breaking the policies/rules/laws. The football team, the student body, the faculty, the alumni, and the taxpayers of the state did nothing wrong, so why punish them? Football at Penn State is a revenue producing sport and provides scholarships tp 85 young men that otherwise may not be able to afford college. Undoubtedly the money generated from football at Penn State funds all the school's other athletic programs too; without those funds you would have to eliminate may other programs or get additional funding from the state (i.e. taxpayer dollars). You don't have to start from scratch to "fix the problem"; just replace all those individuals in "the program" that were the problem.
 
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