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Should have Let Them Score at End

buckeyegrad said:
I am really surprised but what I am hearing.

You never have your defense let up and intentionally allow the other team to score. That style of play does not show the attitude of a champion.

Sure, it is easy to second guess what was done after the fact when you know the results didn't work out correctly, but when you are in the middle of a game, you just don't tell your players to give up.

I don't really know what the attitude of a champion is, but I doubt it involves ruling out a strategy just because of some bravado. Champions are also cunning. I think you are confusing champion with tragic hero.

Giving up the score isn't a perfect strategy, but it is a legitimate consideration. It goes back to the idea of putting your team in the best position to win. Your own 1-yard line with no time left on the clock is not the best position to succeed.

That said, I think Tressel was right to at least try to make a stand when Texas had the ball on the 20. After Texas got that 1st down, I would've at least considered letting them score. I don't think it was a mistake to try to stop them, but it wasn't the only option. With the KR game being lights out, getting the ball around the 40 with a minute left going for overtime in the shoe isn't a bad option.

It's easy to second-guess a decision Tressel had a minute to make. I personally would not have faulted him for whichever of the two options he chose.
 
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Do the math. You can have the ball with over 2 minutes left down 8, hope for a turnover and a score, or get what you got. Your offense had some life with 10 at QB and you have some weapons. The clock stops after a first down in college. You should have at least a %15 chance in that situation of going down and scoring a TD. You have all your fans behind you. You control your own destiny. If you convert 1/2 of those, you are looking at overtime 7% of the time. You did not have a 7% chance on any of those other scenarios.
 
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How quickly we forget that we DID have the ball, over 2min of opportunity to score and a couple TO's in the cupboard. What happened? We fumbled our chances away. OSU took their own destiny in their own hands to choose their fate. While allowing Texas to just bow us over seems to be an easily viable situation on PS2, it most certainly isn't that easy in real life. Its almost like the decision between dying noble, or living as a coward. Our defense put a stop to Texas at a time when we had seems to already lost, this showed why we have the top defense in the nation as well as a squad that doesn't stop. That final stand was something to be proud of while we look back on this game. No excuses are needed, we shouldn't had allowed a TD on 4th and 10 to begin with. We did the right thing, and we ended the game with a 3 point loss instead of an 8 point loss. We challenged Texas truly to the end of the game. I dont know about you, but I would rather be proud than disappointed.
 
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We had plenty of opportunities all game to score a touchdown and we didn't. I have never seen a defense intentionally let another team score a touchdown and never want to see it.

It is poor plan (not cunning) and as stated earlier, NOT the attitude of a champion. I would have lost a lot of respect for the coaching crew if they would have done that.

We simply didn't take advantage of our opportunities when we had them and botched them up.

The turnover and safety at the end were too bad and somewhat embarrassing, just goes to show you that our quarterbacks need some more practice.

All in all, you do not LET another team have a touchdown, simple as that...that is a losers mentality
 
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i just read your idea smith and it is stupid(the thread you gave a link to)


of the team continues to commit delay of game the half the distance rule will enventually result in a safety, because eventually the ball will be in the endzone
 
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Golferdow01 said:
We had plenty of opportunities all game to score a touchdown and we didn't. I have never seen a defense intentionally let another team score a touchdown and never want to see it.

It is poor plan (not cunning) and as stated earlier, NOT the attitude of a champion. I would have lost a lot of respect for the coaching crew if they would have done that.

We simply didn't take advantage of our opportunities when we had them and botched them up.

The turnover and safety at the end were too bad and somewhat embarrassing, just goes to show you that our quarterbacks need some more practice.

All in all, you do not LET another team have a touchdown, simple as that...that is a losers mentality

It isn't a losers mentality. It is a mentality of putting yourself in the best position to win. Try out this analogy:

Think of a basketball game. It's college basketball, so there is a 35-second shot clock. You are down by one point and your opponent has the ball with 38 seconds left in the game.

Option A: Try a valiant defensive stand. The opponent will drain the clock to around 6 or 7 seconds and then go for the score. If you stop them and get the rebound, you'll have the ball with about 1 second left on your side of the court. You'll have to inbound the length of the court and have hope for a miracle.

Option B: You foul the guy with the ball. he is the best free throw shooter in the nation, so he is going to make both free throws and put you down by three. But now you have the ball back with enough time on the clock to shoot a three and force overtime.

Option B is not a "losers mentality"
 
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methomps said:
It isn't a losers mentality. It is a mentality of putting yourself in the best position to win. Try out this analogy:

Think of a basketball game. It's college basketball, so there is a 35-second shot clock. You are down by one point and your opponent has the ball with 38 seconds left in the game.

Option A: Try a valiant defensive stand. The opponent will drain the clock to around 6 or 7 seconds and then go for the score. If you stop them and get the rebound, you'll have the ball with about 1 second left on your side of the court. You'll have to inbound the length of the court and have hope for a miracle.

Option B: You foul the guy with the ball. he is the best free throw shooter in the nation, so he is going to make both free throws and put you down by three. But now you have the ball back with enough time on the clock to shoot a three and force overtime.

Option B is not a "losers mentality"

I see your point methomps and totally respect it, but I don't see 2 free throws the same as a touchdown. I see a touchdown being more like draining a 3 while getting fouled and getting 4 points. I don't see the scenario in basketball the same as the one in football. With how good our D is, I think we did the right thing, and who knows, maybe could have caused a fumble...though the chances were slim
 
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The only problem with your logic, methomps, is that Texas could have taken a knee and let the clock run - in other words, there would have been no way for the Bucks to have "forced" them to score (or to attempt to score); that is where the basketball analogy fails, as in BBall, a foul does stop the clock AND forces the other team to attempt to score.
 
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Golferdow01 said:
I see your point methomps and totally respect it, but I don't see 2 free throws the same as a touchdown. I see a touchdown being more like draining a 3 while getting fouled and getting 4 points. I don't see the scenario in basketball the same as the one in football. With how good our D is, I think we did the right thing, and who knows, maybe could have caused a fumble...though the chances were slim

Well, giving them 4 points in basketball puts them beyond what you can possibly score without help from them. 8 points in football is something in your power to score.
 
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The question of attitude is not about bravado, it is about adapting the correct mind-set to win. What you are asking is for the defense to play not to lose, instead of playing to win. We used to criticize Cooper all of the time for this approach to games because it never works against really good teams. Why? Because they have the correct attitude and killer instinct, they are playing to win.

As for the idea of strategy, you are out-smarting yourself. Instead of relying on your team's ability to get the job done, you are trying to create scenarios that have only a slight chance of beings somewhat more successful than the current scenario in which you are playing. This shows a lack of faith in your player's abilities and sends the wrong attitude to the team.
 
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methomps said:
Well, giving them 4 points in basketball puts them beyond what you can possibly score without help from them. 8 points in football is something in your power to score.

It's a debatable idea but I'm just giving my opinion and it's harsh just as they usually are. I just don't like the idea of the freebis TD in football and unless I see someone use it and it pay off, I don't ever want to see our team do it.
 
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