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Should have Let Them Score at End

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i thought the same thing when i was in C11. just let them score. however i was curious as to if they were stupid enough to actually take it in. our high school football team did this exact thing and let the other team score and we drove down the field and came within inches of getting in the endzone. the only doubt i had with letting them score is if they would go for 2 in there and just put the game away.
 
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Golferdow01 said:
We had plenty of opportunities all game to score a touchdown and we didn't. I have never seen a defense intentionally let another team score a touchdown and never want to see it.

It is poor plan (not cunning) and as stated earlier, NOT the attitude of a champion. I would have lost a lot of respect for the coaching crew if they would have done that.

We simply didn't take advantage of our opportunities when we had them and botched them up.

The turnover and safety at the end were too bad and somewhat embarrassing, just goes to show you that our quarterbacks need some more practice.

All in all, you do not LET another team have a touchdown, simple as that...that is a losers mentality
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Your defense can show the attitude of a champion in overtime after the offense steps up to the plate and plays like a champion and drives down the field for the tying score in front of 100,000 Buckeye fans. You have no chance if Texas runs out the clock. You have some chance if you have the ball down 8. You control your own destiny. It's as simple as that.

Situations do come up where it is the best strategy. Last night was one. Genreally it's in a shoot out type game. Most coaches do not understand the importance of the clock in these situations- on both sides of the ball. I have seen Steve Marriuchi employ the strategy a couple of times. It's far from desirable, it just happens to be significantly better than the alternatives.
 
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buckeyegrad said:
The question of attitude is not about bravado, it is about adapting the correct mind-set to win. What you are asking is for the defense to play not to lose, instead of playing to win. We used to criticize Cooper all of the time for this approach to games because it never works against really good teams. Why? Because they have the correct attitude and killer instinct, they are playing to win.
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Trading a score for a chance to force overtime is playing for the win. Valiantly falling on your sword is not the "correct mind-set to win". Trading a score for the ball isn't asking the defense to play not to lose. It's asking the defense to swallow their ego for the team and to give the ball to their teammates on offense with a chance to actually run their two-minute drill instead of having to heave up a prayer to the fifty and then somehow get down the field to either spike the ball or throw another prayer.

buckeyegrad said:
As for the idea of strategy, you are out-smarting yourself. Instead of relying on your team's ability to get the job done, you are trying to create scenarios that have only a slight chance of beings somewhat more successful than the current scenario in which you are playing. This shows a lack of faith in your player's abilities and sends the wrong attitude to the team.
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A Ginn or Holmes kick return plus one minute and two timeouts with your offense going for a TD has more than a "slight chance of being somewhat more successful" than a handful of seconds, no timeouts, and the ball on your 1 going for a FG.
 
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methomps said:
A Ginn or Holmes kick return plus one minute and two timeouts with your offense going for a TD has more than a "slight chance of being somewhat more successful" than a handful of seconds, no timeouts, and the ball on your 1 going for a FG.
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Based upon our inconsistent offensive play all night, no it doesn't. Upon what evidence do you believe the offense had a good chance of scoring a touchdown and the two-point conversion?

Trading a score for a chance to force overtime is playing for the win. Valiantly falling on your sword is not the "correct mind-set to win". Trading a score for the ball isn't asking the defense to play not to lose. It's asking the defense to swallow their ego for the team and to give the ball to their teammates on offense with a chance to actually run their two-minute drill instead of having to heave up a prayer to the fifty and then somehow get down the field to either spike the ball or throw another prayer.
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I'm sorry, but I have to completely disagree. Asking a defense to purposefully forfeit points is not playing to win, regardless of the situation in which you find yourself. There is also no falling on a sword if you ask your defense to do their job, which is to prevent a first down and hold the team to a field goal or a turnover on downs.

By asking the defense to surrender for the potential to position your offense differently is playing not to lose. It is asking them to not achieve the victory, but to try to position the other team into giving it to you. That is the definition of playing not to lose.
 
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buckeyegrad said:
Based upon our inconsistent offensive play all night, no it doesn't. Upon what evidence do you believe the offense had a good chance of scoring a touchdown and the two-point conversion?
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Maybe this argument would be persuasive if OSU were up by one or tied, but you still needed to march down the field and score with a defensive stand. Is the offensive somehow less inconsistent with the ball deep in your own territoy and no time on the clock?

The offense was inconsistent, but the KR unit had been lights out. A KR alone would've had a better chance of scoring than a drive starting out at the 1 with only a few seconds left. Add that the offense would've had two timeouts and a minute left after the KR, and I say yes, the chance of scoring would've been better.

buckeyegrad said:
I'm sorry, but I have to completely disagree. Asking a defense to purposefully forfeit points is not playing to win, regardless of the situation in which you find yourself. There is also no falling on a sword if you ask your defense to do their job, which is to prevent a first down and hold the team to a field goal or a turnover on downs.

By asking the defense to surrender for the potential to position your offense differently is playing not to lose. It is asking them to not achieve the victory, but to try to position the other team into giving it to you. That is the definition of playing not to lose.
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Forcing a turnover on downs or a FG forfeits 2 minutes off the clock when you only have 2 minutes and change to begin with. You can't get more time put on the clock. You can go out and get 8 points.
 
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OMG, some refreshing perspective...

CalFan said:
Mac Brown is no genius. Your defensive game plan was good. Your defense is excellent. You need to turn the offense over to someone who knows what they are doing.
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Wow, great to have an unbiased perspective.

Most around here are still blinded by the love they feel for the 2002 team that won the National Title for Tress.

Thanks and please post here more often, very refreshing.
 
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ZachDumas said:
Wow, great to have an unbiased perspective.

Most around here are still blinded by the love they feel for the 2002 team that won the National Title for Tress.

Thanks and please post here more often, very refreshing.
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Dude your post of bashing tressel is getting old.

As for this idea I really don't understand why some of you guys are saying it is a losers mentality. You guys act like you would rather try to go the length of the field in 25 sec no timeouts and try for a field goal, or have Texas kick off and have us recieve with 1:30 left with 2 to's.

I like Methomps analogy of the free throws. It is the same thing.
 
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Need a Competent O-Staff

crazybuckfan40 said:
Dude your post of bashing tressel is getting old.

As for this idea I really don't understand why some of you guys are saying it is a losers mentality. You guys act like you would rather try to go the length of the field in 25 sec no timeouts and try for a field goal, or have Texas kick off and have us recieve with 1:30 left with 2 to's.

I like Methomps analogy of the free throws. It is the same thing.
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No Tressel bashing, Dude.

I think Tressel is a solid administrator and leader of the program. He does need to step away form the offense and put a competent staff in place, however.
 
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Rather than risk a punt out of their own end zone, coaches with a six point lead near the end of a game sometimes take an intentional safety if the ball is at their own goal line. It is smart- it should not send the wrong message to the offense.
 
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ZachDumas said:
No Tressel bashing, Dude.

I think Tressel is a solid administrator and leader of the program. He does need to step away form the offense and put a competent staff in place, however.
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Well in your last post you said people are still blinded by the love of the 02' team winning for tress.

I don't understand how you can not still love our coach. B/C he lost to the number two team in the country by a matter of inches.

I know the offense had trouble scoring td's in the red zone last nite, but isnt like Tress was telling them to try and not score.
 
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ZachDumas said:
Does this surprise you, Cal? We got outcoached, pure and simple.

The better, more talented team got beat.

It is just so heartbreaking to see a much better football team get beat, especially with how hard our kids work and play.
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You sound like Kellen Winslow after the Fiesta Bowl. Give some credit where credit is due: Texas is a damn good football team. They're every bit as good as the Buckeyes. The much better football team did not get beat . Open your eyes, after you take off the scarlett-colored glasses.

Yea, we got outcoached. I can't believe the coach was dumb enough to call that stupid play in the end zone where Hamby booted the ball right in his hands. Maybe I'll call the coaches show this week and tell him that was a stupid play.:roll1: :roll1: :roll1: :roll1: :2004:
 
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Brutus1 said:
You sound like Kellen Winslow after the Fiesta Bowl. Give some credit where credit is due: Texas is a damn good football team. They're every bit as good as the Buckeyes. The much better football team did not get beat . Open your eyes, after you take off the scarlett-colored glasses.

Yea, we got outcoached. I can't believe the coach was dumb enough to call that stupid play in the end zone where Hamby booted the ball right in his hands. Maybe I'll call the coaches show this week and tell him that was a stupid play.:roll1: :roll1: :roll1: :roll1: :2004:
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Thank you. At least someone agrees with me about this.
 
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